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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    Fuck Carlson
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    Saw a clip from Tucker. "What are they going to do next--make people with TB take antibiotics?" Well yes Tucker, they already do. Have done so for many decades. Forcibly hospitalize them if they refuse. You ignorant twat.
    Tucker is farting and then asking "hey, does anyone else smell that?"

    His audience of simpletons just want to hear their own idiotic presuppositions broadcast by someone they consider to be an authority figure, so they can feel smart.

    And not a single one of his questions is actually a question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Delta has further optimized the s1/s2 cleavage that in essence speeds up entry into a cell.. A cross of Alpha and Delta would likely push R0 into the 10-14 range.
    Asking as someone who is totally ignorant of virus research--is that the sort of information that might be obtained by gain-of-function research at a place like the Wuhan lab?

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    4600 new cases in Texas, 16k in Florida... this shit will never end. Only person that could be happy about this is Cuomo as New York is soon to get bumped out of second to last place on the fatality tracker. Farg.
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    Danny Westneat: Washington had its chance to stomp the coronavirus. We blew it.

    Jul. 14—If you travel about the country, as I just did to visit my dad in Ohio, the coronavirus pandemic feels a lot like it does now here in Seattle: Like old news.

    But you don't have to look any farther than Walla Walla to see that COVID-19 is anything but past tense.

    "In June, Walla Walla County had more positive COVID cases than April and May combined," the health district in that southeast Washington county warned the other day.

    Now July is already running worse than June. Walla Walla is "one of three counties in the state that the CDC has classified as a high level of transmission," health officials said, before adding, plaintively: "Wear a mask and watch out for those around you!"

    Few are doing the mask-wearing and social-distancing thing anymore. We're done with a pandemic that is not done with us.

    Those three counties referred to above — Walla Walla, Benton and Franklin — had, as of Monday, the highest current COVID rates of any counties on the West Coast, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.

    Walla Walla is reporting its recent 14-day rate as 334 cases per 100,000 population — a disease spread that not long ago could have landed the county into a Phase 2 restriction of businesses and events (not anymore though, as the whole state is now 100% open).

    The Benton-Franklin County Health District said Tuesday that 34 people are hospitalized there with COVID-19 — more than are hospitalized in Seattle, and a rate, when adjusted for population, that's double the national average. (It's still shy of the hospitalization rates in the nation's most hard-hit places, which are currently Missouri, Nevada, Arkansas, Florida and Mississippi).

    At the district's main testing site in Pasco, 11% of the tests are coming back positive, a rate epidemiologists say can signal unchecked community spread of the virus.

    What's happening is as simple as it is frustrating: Only about half, or fewer, of the eligible people in these counties have gotten vaccinated. In Walla Walla, where 45% of the 62,500 residents have been fully vaxxed, 90% of the recent COVID patients hadn't gotten the shot, health officials said.

    Our state is also now reporting that the delta variant, the one that's coursing through states like Mississippi (where seven children are in the ICU), has made up 54% of the sequenced cases in the past two weeks.

    I bring all this up to say: We had our chance to stomp down the coronavirus. We didn't do it. We blew it.

    The whole point of attaining "herd immunity" isn't that the virus would be gone. It's that when an outbreak occurs, it could be isolated and contained because most people would have some level of immunity.

    But that "most people" threshold has not been reached in too many places. And based on the dwindling rates of vaccination, we aren't going to reach it. So we're likely to see repeating cycles of these "delta surges."

    It's time to just let people live with the consequences, I guess. It's all so unnecessary, though. The state is caught betwixt and between — the emergency is seemingly over, yet in a parallel universe it rips and runs. With the vaccines so easy to get there's no longer much point in asking why up to two-thirds of residents in some counties won't get the shots.

    This "two societies" thing is starting to raise awkward questions, though.

    "This is crass," one reader wrote me the other day, "but who pays? If someone refuses for political beliefs to get vaccinated, gets COVID, goes to the hospital, has no health insurance, then who pays? There are ramifications for their refusal ... who pays for these ramifications?"

    The big picture answer first: We will all pay, through hospital charity care, higher health costs, taxes to support Medicare or Medicaid, and so on. This is why a few weeks ago I was ready to pay people to get vaccinated — we're going to pay one way or another.

    But lately one influential player said it won't be them paying anymore. The insurance companies have signaled they are done with special "we're all in this together" pandemic rules. For the past year, most insurers had agreed to waive any copays or deductibles for COVID treatments. Now those deals are over.

    The largest health insurer in Washington state, Premera Blue Cross, ended its waiver of copays and deductibles for COVID treatments on June 30, for example. Some others did it sooner.

    This "is a big deal if you get sick" from COVID, an insurance consultant told Kaiser Health News. "And then you find out you have to pay $5,000 out-of-pocket that your cousin didn't two months ago."

    Maybe that's the answer to vaccine resistance. Because the only thing scarier than the threat of a virus contagion or infecting grandpa or possible death? Being thrown to the mercy of American health insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    A big part of the reduction in cases in the US--maybe the only reason--was vaccinating half the adults, which made it less likely for the unvaxed to encounter a spreader. But when you introduce a much more transmissible variant the math changes--while the unvaxed are still less likely than before to encounter a potential spreader, they are much more likely to get sick if they do encounter one. So you could say that vaccinations don't protect the unvaxed as well as they used to. They still seem to work very well at protecting the vaxed.
    That sounds good, however, if you pull up your favorite graphs of daily infections and vaccination level, there is no support for that position. In the US, from mid-Jan to mid-Feb 2021, fully vaxxed was under 10%, however this is the time of greatest fall in daily cases. From mid-Feb to mid-Apr, fully vaxxed continued to rise, however daily cases also rose. If vaccination was primarily driving the drop in cases, neither of these patterns would occur. Also, consider India, a country with minimal vaccination and lots of delta. Cases there have fallen rapidly despite minimal vaccination. This is why I say vaccination has a small influence on case rates.

    I propose instead that human behavior primarily explains surges and drops in daily Covid cases. We began in 2020 with no precautions, business as usual. Infections soared. We panicked and had lockdowns, infections plummeted. We slowly relaxed precautions, cases slowly climbed then soared. We locked down and wore masks, cases plummeted again. Now we're in Biden's freedom era, not that he had much choice.

    Currently, US fully vaccinated hovers below 50%. The original prognostications said we needed 70-80% vaxxed to stop the pandemic. We're short. If everyone returns to schools, worksites, bars, concerts, and dinner with friends, even Wuhan classic would thrive. I will not be surprised if Fall brings overflowing ICUs.
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    I think you mean august not fall. Icu's in a number of states are set to outpace december very soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    I think you mean august not fall. Icu's in a number of states are set to outpace december very soon

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    Link? Aren't most old and vulnerable vaxxed no matter their politics...at least in Iowa that is true? Younger idiots and middle aged undereducated partisans are catching it now. Even if they have to be hospitalized they often don't make it all the way to the icu.

    I think we have a junkshow coming but it is going to be different than this winter. Secretarian outbreaks. Like Afghanistan but with a Merican twist.

    I'm not sure how much I give a fuck anymore. More worried about...can I go to yurp. Will my daughter be vaccinated by this fall. Can best friend do Portugal this fall. Is the forest I want to hike into on fire.

    Wife has some issues with medication she takes that could compromise her immune response but she works in the most vaxxed County in the state. They are maskless by mandate with public coming in. At this point we are at the mercy of ma nature and the universe I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Danny Westneat: Washington had its chance to stomp the coronavirus. We blew it.



    I bring all this up to say: We had our chance to stomp down the coronavirus. We didn't do it. We blew it.
    Whattaya mean "we" white man??

    Having said that, I'm SO happy to see the start of the "personal responsibility" culture having to actually bear the costs ($$$ and life/death) of their covid choices. I would be even more happy to see it go beyond copays tho, or OOP max. You refuse the vax, you pay for the whole ordeal out of pocket. Sell your house, go bankrupt, I give zero/negative fucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannynoonan View Post
    Whattaya mean "we" white man??

    Having said that, I'm SO happy to see the start of the "personal responsibility" culture having to actually bear the costs ($$$ and life/death) of their covid choices. I would be even more happy to see it go beyond copays tho, or OOP max. You refuse the vax, you pay for the whole ordeal out of pocket. Sell your house, go bankrupt, I give zero/negative fucks.
    Isn't it amazing how close personal responsibility and selfish asshole are? Like love and hate. You're only a couple seconds away from the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglymoney View Post
    Link? Aren't most old and vulnerable vaxxed no matter their politics...at least in Iowa that is true? Younger idiots and middle aged undereducated partisans are catching it now. Even if they have to be hospitalized they often don't make it all the way to the icu.

    I think we have a junkshow coming but it is going to be different than this winter. Secretarian outbreaks. Like Afghanistan but with a Merican twist.

    I'm not sure how much I give a fuck anymore. More worried about...can I go to yurp. Will my daughter be vaccinated by this fall. Can best friend do Portugal this fall. Is the forest I want to hike into on fire.

    Wife has some issues with medication she takes that could compromise her immune response but she works in the most vaxxed County in the state. They are maskless by mandate with public coming in. At this point we are at the mercy of ma nature and the universe I guess.
    Theyre red states but the trend is there and the transmossion vector numbers are expanding. Youll have to look up decembers numbers to confirm theyre close
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    Right but those are new infections...it doesn't say that they are among a younger healthier crew than last winter but they are because old people who are extremely vulnerable and most likely to be icu patients have been mostly vaccinated except in the most backwoods backassward strongholds.

    I think there is a lesson there somewhere. The power of sectarianism and extreme partisanship has its limits somewhere on the reality vs plausible deniability line graph.

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    Wouldnt the variant be spreading faster and more deadly to a wider range of people? I see one state has several children in icu because of it.Could this signal a bigger problem, than in december , in those states affected ?

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Refuse available vaccine and get covid and you deserve every consequence. IMO that should include disqualification from health insurance, life insurance, medicare, etc. Die at home or go bankrupt for hospitalization:


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    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    I agree. Probably doesnt even go dar enough. Thats the price they pay for playing russian roulette with their life. What extra punishment shpuld they recieve for fkn up other peoples lives/families/friends ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Asking as someone who is totally ignorant of virus research--is that the sort of information that might be obtained by gain-of-function research at a place like the Wuhan lab?
    Was wondering kinda same thing. Like "what if" this WAS the experiment or weapon? How fast can we get a virus to mutate and avoid being destroyed? Make "THE" super bug.

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Was wondering kinda same thing. Like "what if" this WAS the experiment or weapon? How fast can we get a virus to mutate and avoid being destroyed? Make "THE" super bug.

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    The superbug was when they took h5n1 and made it transmissible in ferrets. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019...-poised-resume

    H5n1 has a fatality rate of over 60%.

    But yea, COVID was released from a lab is a prominent conspiracy theory. If so, good thing they didn’t release the delta variant.

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    got the old man outta the hospital after intestinalis surgery
    they sent him to a rehab facility
    got to visit yesterday but
    theyre on coviod lock down today
    they let us drop of the coffee
    and visit through the window

    thanks anti vac zuckerbitches and sad fuckin narsisistic twitty twats
    your fucked up fountains of misinformation
    flowith over and this shit aint gonna end
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Asking as someone who is totally ignorant of virus research--is that the sort of information that might be obtained by gain-of-function research at a place like the Wuhan lab?
    I've mentioned before that the insertion PRRA was suboptimal, and not something as I scientist I would have settled on given the knowledge previously available about polybasic cleavage sites. Natural evolution agrees me with here.
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    That's good. Next step... For people who fallen down the rathole of false arguments, how do we get them out? Considering a family member here - it seems much like an addicted friend. Their circle of friends supports the addiction, so any help out I can offer is quickly countered and they fall back in the trap. Put differently, they rejoin their social support group and its misinformation (the addiction).

    The science path also comes with often not knowing, not knowing yet, or worse knowing we'll never know. In addition, science requires yielding power and control to whichever specialists have the required education and background to pursue answers. In contrast, the grifters and liars are free to make shit up, be certain about it, and give individuals the choice/control to ignore science and TPTB.
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    Washington is pulling out all the stops with a ton of Covid vaccination ads on TV.
    Last edited by KQ; 07-18-2021 at 09:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Washington is pulling out all the stops with a ton of Covid vaccination ads in TV.
    Are you getting the one where the lady mispronounces "normalcy?" Drives me bonkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    Are you getting the one where the lady mispronounces "normalcy?" Drives me bonkers.
    Haven't been paying that close of attention. Will have to watch for it.
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    French Face 6 Months In Jail For Entering A Bar Or Restaurant Without A COVID Pass

    About time somebody is doing something about the unvaccinated.

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