To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

**uglymoney** · 07-17-2021, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by grinch

I think you mean august not fall. Icu's in a number of states are set to outpace december very soon

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Link? Aren't most old and vulnerable vaxxed no matter their politics...at least in Iowa that is true? Younger idiots and middle aged undereducated partisans are catching it now. Even if they have to be hospitalized they often don't make it all the way to the icu.

I think we have a junkshow coming but it is going to be different than this winter. Secretarian outbreaks. Like Afghanistan but with a Merican twist.

I'm not sure how much I give a fuck anymore. More worried about...can I go to yurp. Will my daughter be vaccinated by this fall. Can best friend do Portugal this fall. Is the forest I want to hike into on fire.

Wife has some issues with medication she takes that could compromise her immune response but she works in the most vaxxed County in the state. They are maskless by mandate with public coming in. At this point we are at the mercy of ma nature and the universe I guess.

**dannynoonan** · 07-17-2021, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by KQ

Danny Westneat: Washington had its chance to stomp the coronavirus. We blew it.

I bring all this up to say: We had our chance to stomp down the coronavirus. We didn't do it. We blew it.

Whattaya mean "we" white man??

Having said that, I'm SO happy to see the start of the "personal responsibility" culture having to actually bear the costs ($$$ and life/death) of their covid choices. I would be even more happy to see it go beyond copays tho, or OOP max. You refuse the vax, you pay for the whole ordeal out of pocket. Sell your house, go bankrupt, I give zero/negative fucks.

**uglymoney** · 07-17-2021, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by dannynoonan

Whattaya mean "we" white man??

Having said that, I'm SO happy to see the start of the "personal responsibility" culture having to actually bear the costs ($$$ and life/death) of their covid choices. I would be even more happy to see it go beyond copays tho, or OOP max. You refuse the vax, you pay for the whole ordeal out of pocket. Sell your house, go bankrupt, I give zero/negative fucks.

Isn't it amazing how close personal responsibility and selfish asshole are? Like love and hate. You're only a couple seconds away from the other side.

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**grinch** · 07-17-2021, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by uglymoney

Link? Aren't most old and vulnerable vaxxed no matter their politics...at least in Iowa that is true? Younger idiots and middle aged undereducated partisans are catching it now. Even if they have to be hospitalized they often don't make it all the way to the icu.

I think we have a junkshow coming but it is going to be different than this winter. Secretarian outbreaks. Like Afghanistan but with a Merican twist.

I'm not sure how much I give a fuck anymore. More worried about...can I go to yurp. Will my daughter be vaccinated by this fall. Can best friend do Portugal this fall. Is the forest I want to hike into on fire.

Wife has some issues with medication she takes that could compromise her immune response but she works in the most vaxxed County in the state. They are maskless by mandate with public coming in. At this point we are at the mercy of ma nature and the universe I guess.

Theyre red states but the trend is there and the transmossion vector numbers are expanding. Youll have to look up decembers numbers to confirm theyre close

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**uglymoney** · 07-17-2021, 11:18 PM

Right but those are new infections...it doesn't say that they are among a younger healthier crew than last winter but they are because old people who are extremely vulnerable and most likely to be icu patients have been mostly vaccinated except in the most backwoods backassward strongholds.

I think there is a lesson there somewhere. The power of sectarianism and extreme partisanship has its limits somewhere on the reality vs plausible deniability line graph.

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**grinch** · 07-17-2021, 11:49 PM

Wouldnt the variant be spreading faster and more deadly to a wider range of people? I see one state has several children in icu because of it.Could this signal a bigger problem, than in december , in those states affected ?

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**Kinnikinnick** · 07-18-2021, 12:23 AM

Refuse available vaccine and get covid and you deserve every consequence. IMO that should include disqualification from health insurance, life insurance, medicare, etc. Die at home or go bankrupt for hospitalization:

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**grinch** · 07-18-2021, 12:38 AM

I agree. Probably doesnt even go dar enough. Thats the price they pay for playing russian roulette with their life. What extra punishment shpuld they recieve for fkn up other peoples lives/families/friends ?

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**Skidog** · 07-18-2021, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by old goat

Asking as someone who is totally ignorant of virus research--is that the sort of information that might be obtained by gain-of-function research at a place like the Wuhan lab?

Was wondering kinda same thing. Like "what if" this WAS the experiment or weapon? How fast can we get a virus to mutate and avoid being destroyed? Make "THE" super bug.

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**neufox47** · 07-18-2021, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by Skidog

Was wondering kinda same thing. Like "what if" this WAS the experiment or weapon? How fast can we get a virus to mutate and avoid being destroyed? Make "THE" super bug.

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The superbug was when they took h5n1 and made it transmissible in ferrets. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019...-poised-resume

H5n1 has a fatality rate of over 60%.

But yea, COVID was released from a lab is a prominent conspiracy theory. If so, good thing they didn’t release the delta variant.

**skifishbum** · 07-18-2021, 06:49 AM

got the old man outta the hospital after intestinalis surgery
they sent him to a rehab facility
got to visit yesterday but
theyre on coviod lock down today
they let us drop of the coffee
and visit through the window

thanks anti vac zuckerbitches and sad fuckin narsisistic twitty twats
your fucked up fountains of misinformation
flowith over and this shit aint gonna end

**Mofro261** · 07-18-2021, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by old goat

Asking as someone who is totally ignorant of virus research--is that the sort of information that might be obtained by gain-of-function research at a place like the Wuhan lab?

I've mentioned before that the insertion PRRA was suboptimal, and not something as I scientist I would have settled on given the knowledge previously available about polybasic cleavage sites. Natural evolution agrees me with here.

**yeahman** · 07-18-2021, 09:44 AM

lulz

**45hill** · 07-18-2021, 12:37 PM

https://twitter.com/noUpside/status/...770065411?s=19

**LongShortLong** · 07-18-2021, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by 45hill

https://twitter.com/noUpside/status/...770065411?s=19

That's good. Next step... For people who fallen down the rathole of false arguments, how do we get them out? Considering a family member here - it seems much like an addicted friend. Their circle of friends supports the addiction, so any help out I can offer is quickly countered and they fall back in the trap. Put differently, they rejoin their social support group and its misinformation (the addiction).

The science path also comes with often not knowing, not knowing yet, or worse knowing we'll never know. In addition, science requires yielding power and control to whichever specialists have the required education and background to pursue answers. In contrast, the grifters and liars are free to make shit up, be certain about it, and give individuals the choice/control to ignore science and TPTB.

KQ · 07-18-2021, 07:57 PM

Washington is pulling out all the stops with a ton of Covid vaccination ads on TV.

**The AD** · 07-18-2021, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by KQ

Washington is pulling out all the stops with a ton of Covid vaccination ads in TV.

Are you getting the one where the lady mispronounces "normalcy?" Drives me bonkers.

KQ · 07-18-2021, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by The AD

Are you getting the one where the lady mispronounces "normalcy?" Drives me bonkers.

Haven't been paying that close of attention. Will have to watch for it.

**rod9301** · 07-19-2021, 04:26 AM

French Face 6 Months In Jail For Entering A Bar Or Restaurant Without A COVID Pass

About time somebody is doing something about the unvaccinated.

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**bigdude2468** · 07-19-2021, 04:56 AM

[QUOTE=Kinnikinnick;6358177]Refuse available vaccine and get covid and you deserve every consequence. IMO that should include disqualification from health insurance, life insurance, medicare, etc. Die at home or go bankrupt for hospitalization:

I agree with this as soon as we disqualify tobacco users.

**JimmyCarter** · 07-19-2021, 06:14 AM

[QUOTE=bigdude2468;6358602]

Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick

Refuse available vaccine and get covid and you deserve every consequence. IMO that should include disqualification from health insurance, life insurance, medicare, etc. Die at home or go bankrupt for hospitalization:

I agree with this as soon as we disqualify tobacco users.

And drinkers. And people who eat like shit. And people who don’t get enough sleep.

**huckbucket** · 07-19-2021, 07:24 AM

Can we also recognize that leaving the unvaxxed to their own misguided future represents a huge potential financial liability for society. ER's, ventilators and therapeutics are unbelievably expensive and it would be wrong to assume that each patient pays their own way or has sufficient insurance coverage.

**Kinnikinnick** · 07-19-2021, 07:52 AM

[QUOTE=JimmyCarter;6358615]

Originally Posted by bigdude2468

And drinkers. And people who eat like shit. And people who don’t get enough sleep.

Now you are intentionally eroding the point.

Dont get vaxxed = dont get insured for the hospitalization costs.

If you start adding lifestyle choices then the consequence would be so broad that it wont have the desired incentive.

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**riser4** · 07-19-2021, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by huckbucket

Can we also recognize that leaving the unvaxxed to their own misguided future represents a huge potential financial liability for society. ER's, ventilators and therapeutics are unbelievably expensive and it would be wrong to assume that each patient pays their own way or has sufficient insurance coverage.

Agreed. And for the record I am very pro-vax. It still poses interesting questions regarding where we draw the line for compelling certain behaviors. Especially if we are using the "dollar cost to the public" argument.