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  1. #6551
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    Does federal OSHA have any ability to require precautions or density reductions if employers donít have X percentage of their workforce vaccinated?

    IE - you have to reduce the density in your factory to X unless you have 70/80/90 percent vaccinated.

    I donít think anything changes unless those states get overrun.

    But with the governors in certain states actively working against increasing the vaccination rate I doubt anything changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Upstate?
    Close, but not quite as cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    I was messaging with a friend in Sidney last night. The delta variant apparently spread faster than their contract tracing system could handle and they are in a pretty severe lockdown with a $3,000 fine if youíre caught breaking the rules.
    It's because AstraZeneca doesn't work very well against the Delta variant correct? And Australia's leaned heavily on that vaccine it looks like.

    Chile, that's interesting. Maybe Sinovac works better than folks thought? or the Delta variant just hasn't hit South America that hard yet?
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    I got better maple syrup right here at home.
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    Canada produces 75% of the worlds maple syrup

    USA just produces more dead Americans
    WW3 starts here

    Forgot to mention... if a population is not going to reach herd immunity through vaccination, the eventual reopening will cause rising cases. Once vaccination tails off there's some argument to let it rip. Maybe balanced against a future therapeutic, if we think we'll get a good one. Also vaccinating kids - if we decide not to do that, we're deciding to let them all get infected (which is the safer approach if Covid effects are less than vax effects, and we consider only the kids' health). Just a matter of how fast we allow the unvaxxed to get infected, most all of them eventually will.

    So easy to vaccinate (or isolate) a herd of animals. So hard to do the same for humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    It's because AstraZeneca doesn't work very well against the Delta variant correct? And Australia's leaned heavily on that vaccine it looks like.

    Chile, that's interesting. Maybe Sinovac works better than folks thought? or the Delta variant just hasn't hit South America that hard yet?
    So far, human behavior changes drive infection more than vaccination. Israel, UK, US have relatively high vax rates, all have rising cases. You could almost claim the vaccines don't work, though hospitalizations are 99% unvaxxed showing they do work.

    It is possible Sinovac is better at preventing spread, but it's probably more restrictions (or good behavior). There's a few studies looking well the various vaccines prevent infection or spread. I've not followed many - the numbers aren't as good as the efficacy vs severe disease.

    Aussies are way behind on vaccinating. They are trying the Kiwi full suppression strategy but have a (tiny compared to other countries) delta outbreak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    WW3 starts here
    Oh hell ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Upstate?
    You sir can fuck right off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Close, but not quite as cool

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    If that's your definition of cool then I am happy to be uncool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    You sir can fuck right off.
    Ha! In case you haven't noticed I always ask that for anything even remotely northeast related.

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    On the news tonight: CDC Director said we now have a 'Pandemic of the Unvaccinated'.
    ďWhen you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis


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    Quote Originally Posted by RoooR View Post
    How? You going to literally show up to their house and strap them down? You can make peoples lives inconvenient, but you can't force them. And personally, I would find that incredibly authoritarian.

    In rural MT there's not a lot of helmet or seat-belt wearing either. These people sure as fuck arn't gonna be forced to get a vax by the gubmit and if you try to make businesses enforce it for entry, that shit ain't happening out here either.
    Obviously we aren't going to physically force people to get shots, but we can make it as inconvenient as hell by requiring vaccination to do a lot of stuff without asking private small business to be enforcers and with hefty fines for anyone who cheats. I'm under no illusions we will actually do that. I can only dream and hope that someday this country will wake up from the mass hysteria that is infecting a third to a half of the adult population.

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    The fucktard cultists that can't tell up from down or truth from fiction are just doubling down and the grifters are taking full advantage. A nutso leftist I know seems to have fully adopted all of the right wing propoganda and talking points so his non stop messages are sent straight to my junk folder now. I swear the the right wing oligarchs sees this as an opportunity to merge the brainwashed indoctrinated wackjobs on the left and the right so they can complete their fascist takeover.

    A guy at work told me yesterday that he had the Corona virus in 1996 so he doesn't need the vaccine.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Ha! In case you haven't noticed I always ask that for anything even remotely northeast related.
    I once asked, tongue In cheek, whether nyc Was upstate. I'm still fending of bounty hunters.
    It's a war of the mind and we're armed to the teeth.

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    Insurance companies have stopped waiving co-pays for Covid treatments.
    ďWhen you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis


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    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    So far, human behavior changes drive infection more than vaccination. Israel, UK, US have relatively high vax rates, all have rising cases. You could almost claim the vaccines don't work, though hospitalizations are 99% unvaxxed showing they do work.

    It is possible Sinovac is better at preventing spread, but it's probably more restrictions (or good behavior). There's a few studies looking well the various vaccines prevent infection or spread. I've not followed many - the numbers aren't as good as the efficacy vs severe disease.

    Aussies are way behind on vaccinating. They are trying the Kiwi full suppression strategy but have a (tiny compared to other countries) delta outbreak.
    A big part of the reduction in cases in the US--maybe the only reason--was vaccinating half the adults, which made it less likely for the unvaxed to encounter a spreader. But when you introduce a much more transmissible variant the math changes--while the unvaxed are still less likely than before to encounter a potential spreader, they are much more likely to get sick if they do encounter one. So you could say that vaccinations don't protect the unvaxed as well as they used to. They still seem to work very well at protecting the vaxed.

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    Yeah, it's exactly that.

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    Very little Delta in Peru, like less than 25 cases as of July 13. Delta does alter the math, the R0 has gone from 2.5 to in the 6-8 range, that's going to complicate contact tracing for sure.
    Both Alpha and Delta have been been more transmissible than the OG strain, but for different reasons. Alpha shuts down innate signaling better and Delta has further optimized the s1/s2 cleavage that in essence speeds up entry into a cell.. A cross of Alpha and Delta would likely push R0 into the 10-14 range.
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    It's possible that the vaccinated tend to know mostly other vaccinated people

    And the same for the people that don't want to vaccinate. So r0 is 0 for vaccinated and 3 for unvaccinated.

    Obvious.

    But it also means that you can't look at statistics, like new cases divided by the entire population.

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    Fuck Ingraham and Desantis
    https://twitter.com/PeterHotez/statu...70159309287426

    Fuck Carlson and Barenson
    https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1416193934288736261

    Might as well fuck Fox News altogether

  20. #6570
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    it looks like laura has perfected her own version of the stupid/pensive Tucker expression while the guest speaks.
    They got a name for the winners in the world

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  21. #6571
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    Id love to sneeze boogers all over tucker Carlson's face and ask him if he wishes I would have had a mask on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    Fuck Ingraham and Desantis
    https://twitter.com/PeterHotez/statu...70159309287426

    Fuck Carlson and Barenson
    https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1416193934288736261

    Might as well fuck Fox News altogether
    And direct from CNN...more maskless flucktards on the right:

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/17/polit...ive/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    It's possible that the vaccinated tend to know mostly other vaccinated people

    And the same for the people that don't want to vaccinate.
    i would agree with this ^^ most everyone I know is a vaxxer
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  24. #6574
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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    It's possible that the vaccinated tend to know mostly other vaccinated people

    And the same for the people that don't want to vaccinate.
    True if you mean know personally. But unless we stay home we encounter people of the opposite vaccine persuasion all the time. Even deep red places have plenty of vaxed people, though not as many as blue communities. Etc.
    BTW--R0 is the rate of spread (the number of people each infected person infects) in a population with no natural or vaccine-produced immunity. (Splitting hairs I know). Your point is still valid. Vaccinated people aren't making other vaccinated people sick. And they're probably rarely infecting unvaccinated people although I don't know how solid the data is on the last point.

    Saw a clip from Tucker. "What are they going to do next--make people with TB take antibiotics?" Well yes Tucker, they already do. Have done so for many decades. Forcibly hospitalize them if they refuse. You ignorant twat.

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    I see hydraulic turtles.

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