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    Quote Originally Posted by plugboots View Post
    How thick are these? When I feel sealskins at my local shop, they feel too thick for my foot/shoe combo. I ride regular old defeet, sock guy, PI, wool socks.
    the pair I have from a couple years back are quite thick... remind me of old school wool backpacking sock thick. And they are stiff, they can almost stand up by themselves stiff. But, if you have the room in the shoe, they work exceptionally well keeping dry in downpours, assuming you aren't also getting water running down your legs from your pants/tights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Chaka, I think my defrosters would match the rideability of the 303s if they were the right size. The Specialized shoe is very high quality and seems a bit warmer and well sealed, but the sole is a harder plastic and not as grippy for walking. The Lake 303 leather has a black coating that scuffs off easily—probably the biggest complaint from my friends who own them—but the fit is great and the outsole is nicely lugged.
    Weird. I have been riding 303s for a few years and don't have this issue.

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    Another Lake MXZ303 user here. Great shoe. Not super warm for me when you get into single digits but survivable. Especially when the snow gets too deep and you end up walking. I pair with neoprene socks which helps. If there's deep and/or loose snow something to go over the top of the shoe like extra long pants or micro-gaiters are pretty nice to keep the snow off of/out of the top of the shoe. The standard Lake's run real wide and these are even more generously sized, plus they have a wide option for really fat feet. They're way too wide for my narrow feet but fine for winter riding with a thicker sock, allow for better circulation. Overall I recommend the shoes and Lake's are well known to last forever.

    45North have some options for true sub-zero extended adventures if that's what you're looking for. Popular on the Iditabike.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Chupacabra View Post
    I have some of those too. They work fine for warmth. Not great if you ever have to walk. A good choice for cold weather road riding though.
    Agree on the walking aspect of shoe covers. I've run many toe covers and full shoe covers over the years. They just don't hold up to off road use for me. Plus they're a pain in the ass to put on. Also gotta make real sure your shoes aren't too tight, like a bit loose, so you don't cut off the top of the foot circulation. This is true for any cold weather riding or activity but especially important when you're pulling a tight shoe cover over a tight XC-style shoe.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamal View Post
    That's what I do for my road shoes and it's been totally fine, especially as I'll usually not go out on my road bike when it's super cold. But they don't fit over my mtb shoes and I haven't bothered tracking down a set that do. Plus that metal cleat and pedal makes them not nearly as warm. I do need to find some for those more in-between and slightly damp days. Going out when it's 45 and your feet get a little wet in racey well ventilated mtb shoes isn't really comfortable.
    For shoulder season I usually just run a *slightly* thicker sock and put sandwich bags over my toes. Keeps the wind out and acts as a vapor barrier to reduce evaporative cooling. Works surprisingly well.
    There's nothing better than sliding down snow... flying through the air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamal View Post
    I do need to find some for those more in-between and slightly damp days. Going out when it's 45 and your feet get a little wet in racey well ventilated mtb shoes isn't really comfortable.
    I aquaseal'd a pair of shoes for exactly this. Racing CX means no shoe covers, but running through mud quickly leads to cold toes as the breeze blows through. Not enough to be a full on winter shoe, but certainly more comfortable on chilly and wet mountain bike / gravel rides.

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    Selling my near-new Defrosters: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...68#post6131368

    Once you’ve owned a pair of shoes like this it’s hard to go back. NSMB.com had a review (May have been the defrosters, which are lighter than the 303s I think) describing how he started wearing them on any damp and cool day, not just those sub-35 F days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Selling my near-new Defrosters: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...68#post6131368

    Once you’ve owned a pair of shoes like this it’s hard to go back. NSMB.com had a review (May have been the defrosters, which are lighter than the 303s I think) describing how he started wearing them on any damp and cool day, not just those sub-35 F days.
    100% agree with Frorider... even with my fit issues, once you ride in a proper pair of winter shoes, you will find yourself reaching for them all the time when the weather is dodgy. It was a 'why the fuck did I wait/suffer so long' moment for me a few years back.

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    Pics of the scuffing on my 303s...first pic shows the scuffing from your fingernail near the Boa wheel:
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    Second pic shoes the marks from light use (no hike a biking):
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    Not a deal breaker for me, since I like the fit and the sole grip so much.

    Speaking of fit, if you comb thru the reviews the fit of the regular 303 is generally considered narrow—as you’d expect from Lake in general. In fact some people upsize the 303 to compensate. Fortunately Lake offers Wide versions in many sizes...though even those aren’t considered especially wide by reviewers. All this correlates well with my experience.

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    @Fro I agree on your width comments based on me tracing and measuring my feet and comparing to their published width and length sizing charts: https://www.lakecycling.com/pages/sizing-charts. I'm a D+ street shoe width, and fit a 98 last Hawx ltd with a little punching in 6th toe area, so a little wide not crazy wide. My trace lines up very well with Lake's "Wide" sizing, so its not crazy wide at all (at least from width measurement).

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    I found that I had mixed success with even being able to get winter shoes on. I had success with Defrosters, Wolvhammers, and Scott Heaters.

    but not with the original Bontrager OMW, Diadora (or was it Northwave). Something to keep in mind.

    It's just so nice to be able to quickly slide my feet into my Defrosters and not have to fuss with shoe covers, not to mention having to adjust the shoe covers every time I have to get off and walk. I've even put the shoe covers on top for those extra cold days (where Wolvhammers wouldn't be overkill).

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    Showers Pass waterproof socks. Work with normal 5.10s or whatever down into the upper 30s in really wet conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plugboots View Post
    How thick are these? When I feel sealskins at my local shop, they feel too thick for my foot/shoe combo. I ride regular old defeet, sock guy, PI, wool socks.
    They are much thicker than summer socks, but I still wear them comfortably in my flat pedals shoes and stiff carbon xc race clipless shoes. If your shoes are as tight as humanly possible with summer socks maybe it would be an issue, but it's not for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by chaka View Post
    the pair I have from a couple years back are quite thick... remind me of old school wool backpacking sock thick. And they are stiff, they can almost stand up by themselves stiff. But, if you have the room in the shoe, they work exceptionally well keeping dry in downpours, assuming you aren't also getting water running down your legs from your pants/tights.
    I would actually say they still work if water is running down your legs. I don't find that they keep my feet dry exactly - more that my feet stay warm even when damp - much more so that with thick wool socks.

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    thanks for everyone's inputs. I picked up a pair of Lake MXZ304 wides. Sized per Lake's directions with a foot template. Appears to be a very well engineered piece of footwear! Better be for the price. For those that have the 303/304s... Does the leather around the ankles break in at all? They feel great walking around the house, except for just a little bit of pressure over the insides of my ankles.

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