THE OFFICIAL 20/21 TAHOE SKI & SNOWBOARD THREAD. PANDEMIC SCHMANDEMIC!

[TahoeJ]

Interesting thread.
https://twitter.com/BigWhiteFireDog/...93372361453568

Wow, that's pretty cool that they're being so pro-active.

[old goat]

If you look at the NWCG map there are a number of purple squares indicating emerging wildfire<24 hr. A couple in Coldstream, one in the hills E of Martis Ck, one near Floriston, another near Mt Rose. I have no idea how significant these are. Nothing on Nixle about them. No sirens. Nothing on Inciweb or Calfire. Yet.
https://maps.nwcg.gov/sa/#/%3F/%3F/39.3063/-120.1492/11

[Jeb McHardman]

If you look at the NWCG map there are a number of purple squares indicating emerging wildfire<24 hr. A couple in Coldstream, one in the hills E of Martis Ck, one near Floriston, another near Mt Rose. I have no idea how significant these are. Nothing on Nixle about them. No sirens. Nothing on Inciweb or Calfire. Yet.
https://maps.nwcg.gov/sa/#/%3F/%3F/39.3063/-120.1492/11

Not too surprised. The lightning frequency for an hour or so last night was extreme. I saw multiple hits on the ridgeline south of the river from my place around midnight or a little later. The fact that it continued to rain off and on without much or any lightning until 10 or so this morning makes me somewhat optimistic though

[LightRanger]

USFS smokejumper plane out of Redding has been circling just south of Bowman Lake. According to this guy (who has been a reliable scanner account), they deployed a few minutes ago.
https://twitter.com/eFireWatch

https://www.flightradar24.com/JPR52/291aac98

[teledad]

Martis and Coldstream fires are contained: https://twitter.com/CALFIRENEU/statu...15623634972673

[old goat]

The NWCG map shows dozens of new incidents, presumable lightning strikes being investigated. Seems unlikely that none of them will turn into a major fire.

[powdork]

^Especially since we 're so strung out we don't have the ability to put out any new fires.

[powdork]

I would also point out they are putting out at a minimum 5 lightning started fires today that are at least as dangerous and costly to put out as the tamarack fire would have been, but they needed the business then.

[muted reborn]

^Especially since we 're so strung out we don't have the ability to put out any new fires.

I gave ya the benefit of the doubt earlier in this thread but this shows I was wrong, you are a clown.

[heckacali]

I would also point out they are putting out at a minimum 5 lightning started fires today that are at least as dangerous and costly to put out as the tamarack fire would have been, but they needed the business then.

SMH

[mcski]

I would also point out they are putting out at a minimum 5 lightning started fires today that are at least as dangerous and costly to put out as the tamarack fire would have been, but they needed the business then.

Is this sarcasm? Weren’t you just complaining CA should let everything burn more just a couple days ago (which is what they were doing initially w tamerack)? I can’t figure out what dig you are trying to get across here other than a slam on cal fire

[climberevan]

The previously unknown wildland fire management experts that emerge online in the wake of any major fire are only eclipsed by the epidemiologists who know more than the CDC but are somehow being underutilized.

[powdork]

Is this sarcasm? Weren’t you just advocating to let everything burn a couple days ago (which is what they were doing initially w tamerack)? I can’t figure out what dig you are trying to get across here other than a slam on cal fire

yes, that is sarcasm. Whether or not I believe fires should burn doesn't change their listed reasoning for not putting that fire out. They are on record as saying it was too dangerous to put in a team, but now it's not a problem at all in similar areas. All it would have taken is a visit from one helo with numerous lakes to pull from within a mile. They are walking all over the area now (or a couple weeks ago when I was there) and it's not too dangerous now apparently. Their reasons for not putting the Tamarack fire out before it got out of control don't hold water. I don't actually think it was because they needed the business, but it is a really fucking big hugely capital intensive business, and if those dozers aren't out destroying the landscape they aren't getting any return on the hundreds of millions invested.

[mcski]

I don’t recall anything about danger. My recollection was that it wasn’t a priority and they wanted tamerack to do some Forrest clean up but it ended up exploding

[powdork]

https://www.facebook.com/HumboldtToi...55306648085725
this was from July 10, after burning for 6 days

The #TamarackFire burning in the Mokelumne wilderness was ignited July 4 from lightning. The tactical management decision is not to insert fire crews due to safety concerns, however, this is not an unresponsive approach. Smoke might be visible to Pacific Crest Trail hikers but the .25 acre fire is surrounded by granite rocks, a small lake and sparse fuels. Fire poses no threat to the public, infrastructure or resource values.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Martis and Coldstream fires are contained: https://twitter.com/CALFIRENEU/statu...15623634972673

Chalk another one up for Tinkerbell in stretch pants. Seems to have had the correct info on those fires this morning.

[powdork]

The previously unknown wildland fire management experts that emerge online in the wake of any major fire are only eclipsed by the epidemiologists who know more than the CDC but are somehow being underutilized.

c'mon you've been in these threads since the beginning you should know i have been an internet wildland fire management expert since the beginning of my time here
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...10#post1325010

and I would point out sftc's post several below the linked post

Hum, so we're fucked in Colorado as well... half the West looks like that, gotta love the US Forest Service's policy of stopping natural fires....
I know they are fighting against, and trying to correct, many years of mismanagement, but this is gonna happen for years to come.

[old goat]

I think we can summarize the management of wildfires in CA in the summer of 2021 as damned if you do damned if you don't.

[powdork]

been that way for a long time.

One thing to give an idea how much the tourist pressure on Lake Tahoe has changed in the last 10 years is that Angora fire thread. We were still evacuated and telling people one of the best ways to help was to come to Tahoe and spend money. I know this fire is a different situation, but boy how times have changed at how we look at visitors once they started to overwhelm us.

[powdork]

https://www.facebook.com/HumboldtToi...55306648085725
this was from July 10, after burning for 6 days

looking more closely at that video I was able to pinpoint the starting point on the map. Also the first couple times I watched it I didn't notice the small spot that started outside the main fire's perimeter. i would have thought that would have meant something to them.

Here is the starting zone zoomed in


and zoomed out

[Hey Diddle Diddle]

. It's not their job to figure that out. Not even a little bit. Nor is it their job to put every fire out. We need fire. bad.
They have also had a year to figure out a better way to to deal with crisis levels other than closing everything. This was not only foreseeable, but almost guaranteed. Yet they planned nothing.
If you guys haven't figured it out, fire is here to stay, and these bullshit closures are here to stay too. Fire is something to prepare for, and be knowledgeable about. Not something to be scared of. Homes should not be built without a self sufficient fire suppression apparatus in wildland zones. There should be zones where nothing is done to protect structures. Sorry, but this is where you live so it's on you. Fires need to happen, and the more regularly the better..

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[powdork]

Would you care to elaborate on your question?

[mcski]

Maybe he’s saying that post makes your perceived criticism of their decision to let tamarack burn seem a bit hypocritical?

[powdork]

But I am not criticizing their decision to let it burn. I was questioning their given reason for not putting it out. There is a difference.

[Hey Diddle Diddle]

But I am not criticizing their decision to let it burn. I was questioning their given reason for not putting it out. There is a difference.

The result is the same so to me seems like a difference without a difference. CYA and lawyers often makes words meaningless.
Big picture we need more fire and fuels reduction. Small picture I spent the morning blowing burnt pine needles and ash off my metal roof and wood deck. I will always be grateful for the efforts of the firefighters and by extension Cal Fire. So I feel conflicted. I was curious how you resolve seemingly being on both sides of an issue. Any time I am about to repeat a McClintock talking point I bite my tongue.