THE OFFICIAL 20/21 TAHOE SKI & SNOWBOARD THREAD. PANDEMIC SCHMANDEMIC!

[powpig]

Your girlfriend is able to pay her mortgage by running a business that makes it a lot harder for many people (like me) to buy a house.

Bullshit!
She's able to pay her mortgage because she had foresight 12 years ago and works hard!
Go play your victim card somewhere else.

Yeah, I'm all in favor of shutting that shit down, covid or not. I'm pretty sure she isn't losing any sleep over the locals being forced out of Tahoe due to homes being turned into motels, so why would I (or anyone else) care if she can't pay her mortgage?

Rooting for small local businesses to fail and folks to lose their livelihood and ability to keep a roof over their heads is seriously fucked up!


Maybe we need a separate thread in the PR to whine about STRs. No point in cunting up the Tahoe thread any further.

[Paul Blart]

Bullshit!
She's able to pay her mortgage because she had foresight 12 years ago and works hard!
Go play your victim card somewhere else.



Rooting for small local businesses to fail and folks to lose their livelihood and ability to keep a roof over their heads is seriously fucked up!


Maybe we need a separate thread in the PR to whine about STRs. No point in cunting up the Tahoe thread any further.

Is it really cunting up the thread if it’s relevant and a major issue? Should we just sweep it under the rug because you’re soft and got offended?

Is it really a local business if it only caters to outsiders?

Locally located address on tax forms sure.

But for locals? Supported by locals? Encouraged by locals? Would it be missed by locals if it failed and she had to call it quits?

So would you say a business that buys homes and rents them for short term profit vs long term is a positive influence on the local community? Or does it actually make it harder for a local community to flourish?

I have a hard time understanding how a business that drives out the local population could consider themselves a local business.

It’s okay though, she works really hard.

[TahoeJ]

I think there's a pretty big distinction between second (or primary) homeowners who occasionally rent out their house that would otherwise sit empty vs. houses that are only being used as cash generators and are essentially full time hotels in a residential neighborhood. I submitted a comment during the recent Truckee STR hearings suggesting the idea of an annual or monthly cap on the number of nights an STR may be rented out, but it fell upon deaf ears. It makes more sense than just banning them outright and it would limit the incentive / profitability of land lords kicking out full time tenants.

[powdork]

Rooting for small local businesses to fail and folks to lose their livelihood and ability to keep a roof over their heads is seriously fucked up!

Owning a small business that in the aggregate is responsible for many many people losing their housing security is seriously fucked up IMO. She should use some of her foresight now to find a new business instead of fighting to stay in one that she now knows is hurting people. Or does she just not care that it's hurting people?

[lepistoir]

I think there's a pretty big distinction between second (or primary) homeowners who occasionally rent out their house that would otherwise sit empty vs. houses that are only being used as cash generators and are essentially full time hotels in a residential neighborhood. I submitted a comment during the recent Truckee STR hearings suggesting the idea of an annual or monthly cap on the number of nights an STR may be rented out, but it fell upon deaf ears. It makes more sense than just banning them outright and it would limit the incentive / profitability of land lords kicking out full time tenants.

Right? We're dealing with different degrees of impact here. I always thought an ADU or mother-in-law was a completely permissible STR with the owner living on premises. STRs, run by locals or not, consistently have the same complaints against them: noise, trash, traffic, bears, constricting housing for locals. Again, it's like working in fracking or maybe the payday loan industry. It's got downsides and might get banned if the businesses can't figure out how to reduce/eliminate the impact they create. I am extremely busy myself because of STRs but I'm ready to adapt my business to a world where they are more restricted. Your (powpig) gf might have to work really hard to adapt and she might go into another business. It's not as personal as you make it sound. It's almost like you're the one playing the victim.

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Nice shots, Gimpy!

Can we take the STR discussion to PR? It’s like NWA, fuckin up da program

[NathanL]

Placer and El Dorado Counties are two of the top ten counties people are trying to move into right now, according to this link. Gonna be a crowded winter.

[old goat]

I don't see STR users as being dangerous to the locals. I see them as being dangerous to each other, and to people back home.
The biggest risk to Truckee folks are locals crammed into overpriced long term rentals, locals partying, and people who do their shopping in Reno, which is a real hot spot.
Closing STR's will not end the pandemic. It would be a small step. The problem with stopping the other stuff is no way to enforce.

I need to shut up about this stuff--it's getting in the way of the skiing stoke. I meant to stop; now I'm making it official so I won't be tempted.
The stoke does tempt me to go out and wreck an old pair of skis on 6 inches over rocks, but these days the body breaks before the skis do.

[lepistoir]

Why aren't you watching more movies at the Tahoe Art Haus? Don't you want to support a local business at risk of closing down? Why are you rooting for Melissa and Siig to lose their livelihood and ability to put a roof over their heads?
https://www.gofundme.com/f/save-the-...f+share-flow-1

Please snow so we can drown this out with stoke.

[duffski]

Nevada Stay At Home 2.0: http://southtahoenow.com/story/11/11...19-cases-surge

Good luck with that Guvna

[truckeelocal]

Unrelated to STRs but Mammoth opens this weekend

[gimpy]

i fucking hate str's and what they have done to our communities. that said, my gf also has a little vacay rental biz and she has been crushing it. October was just as busy and booked up as august. soooo..... i get why people do it and i get why they suck. i think there need to be even more taxes pulled out of nightly rentals to start funding some lower income housing projects for full time local rentals...... but im not holding my breath for that to happen anytime soon. just another fucked up situation that we are going to have to learn to live with. unreal that eldorado county in number 1 on that list of places people are moving to but i see the results of that everyday.......sigh

[powdork]

Nevada Stay At Home 2.0: http://southtahoenow.com/story/11/11...19-cases-surge

Good luck with that Guvna

So I should be ready for another vacation starting in two weeks. Let it snow

[Powcruzer]

God, just please send the asteroid already.

[mmmm...pow!]

Bullshit!
She's able to pay her mortgage because she had foresight 12 years ago and works hard!
Go play your victim card somewhere else.



Rooting for small local businesses to fail and folks to lose their livelihood and ability to keep a roof over their heads is seriously fucked up!


Maybe we need a separate thread in the PR to whine about STRs. No point in cunting up the Tahoe thread any further.

She might work hard, but it's still fucking over a lot of people. The two ain't mutually exclusive. If a home is for sale, is she rooting for a local family to move in or for someone from elsewhere to buy it and use her company to rent it to tourists? We both know the answer, so please tell me again what is really fucked up.

[Powcruzer]

Has anybody on here ever stayed in an Airbb? Pretty cool right? Not calling out hypocrisy but...
Back to stoke. Gimpy. Super session.

[nrob]

If Airbnb is such a great business, then lets set up neighborhoods that zone for that where every house is a hotel and then let other neighborhoods be for residents. Let's see home many homes get built in that Airbnb neighborhood. If you want to be in the hotel business get into the business with all the real overhead. Don't just dump that overhead on the community (Trash, noise, ....)
I know it is not that black and white but it heading that way with how some people are going about this business.

[Dark Energy]

Delighted to get a tour or two on the Summit, but Gimpy way to deliver the stoke - Wow!

[BFD]

Delighted to get a tour or two on the Summit, but Gimpy way to deliver the stoke - Wow!

congratulations looking forward to some game winning field goal stoke

[jorion]

Damn, unless access there is simpler in early season, Gimpy is already in midseason shape as well as mid-season stoke form.

Is that road to the north still clear and open maybe? Never been up that way.

(And as long as we’re keeping score, put me in the AirBnB is bad camp.)

[powdork]

Alpine County - Into the Red ( a song as shitty as the situation)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hujTeTsD-nk

[powpig]

Is it really cunting up the thread if it’s relevant and a major issue? Should we just sweep it under the rug because you’re soft and got offended?

Is it really a local business if it only caters to outsiders?

She has 3 full time employees. I know this may be hard for the haters to understand but they are locals.
She takes on more staff when it gets busy, during peak winter months and July-Aug.
Not even including the $1000s she pays out for snow shovelers every year, who again, are locals.
Her biz also pays a ton in TOT (Transient Occupancy Tax I believe) to both Placer & Nevada Counties.

Now your turn to explain why your slanted criteria for what is a local business doesn't take into account that jobs are provided for locals.

Would it be missed by locals if it failed and she had to call it quits?

By the local homeowners, absolutely it would be missed.
Some of those homeowners just use her cleaning services but don't rent.
And as mentioned but completely ignored by you, her employees would certainly miss their well paying jobs.

I have a hard time understanding how a business that drives out the local population could consider themselves a local business.

That's a bogus claim! How does her business "drives out the local population"?
Explain yourself

Owning a small business that in the aggregate is responsible for many many people losing their housing security is seriously fucked up IMO. She should use some of her foresight now to find a new business instead of fighting to stay in one that she now knows is hurting people. Or does she just not care that it's hurting people?

Why don't you explain how her business is hurting people?
She's been doing it for more than 10 years.
If you didn't have a problem with it in 2012 for example, than perhaps you're just piling on & your anger is misplaced?

She might work hard, but it's still fucking over a lot of people. The two ain't mutually exclusive. If a home is for sale, is she rooting for a local family to move in or for someone from elsewhere to buy it and use her company to rent it to tourists? We both know the answer, so please tell me again what is really fucked up.

As long as she's been in biz, there's always been a ton of turnover, getting new homes for a couple years then they sell and the new owners don't want to rent.
There are very few full timers so not really an issue, your baseless projections notwithstanding.

[powdork]

Why don't you explain how her business is hurting people?
She's been doing it for more than 10 years.
If you didn't have a problem with it in 2012 for example, than perhaps you're just piling on & your anger is misplaced?

You're seriously questioning how the vacation rental business is hurting Tahoe? What makes you think I didn't have a problem with it in 2012? Fun fact, I was homeless for a period in 2012 and moved into a home that was up until that point a str and I still live there.
If you can't understand that there is an inverse relationship between the amount of long term housing and str's AND that there is a severe shortage of long term housing and the problems those conditions create, then I don't know what to tell you other than that you and your wife would be better off moving to a place with more favorable conditions for your business. She should have had the foresight but whatevs

[Mokomahonah]

Alright troll, I'll bite.

Do the snow shovelers live her, or Reno? Are they professional laborers, or picking up extra work to get by? Is it a housecleaning biz? That's different than STR biz. You might think they are well paying jobs. But do her employees own houses, are they on track to own houses in north lake or Truckee? What's she pay to snow shovel, $25/hr cash? Cash is great but no unemployment, no benefits?

TOT goes to Auburn and is spread around the county (Truckee is a little better). Most does not stay here.

Her business drives out locals by reducing housing supply for long term rentals, thereby increasing the price of existing stock to a point many can't afford. That's like macro econ 101.

There are very few full timers so not really an issue, your baseless projections notwithstanding.

Funny how you excuse yourself like that- I'm only fucking over a few people, so it's ok.

I think most agree, STRing is a welcome infusion of money into the economy. However, at some point it becomes a determent to the housing problem and to the ability of the community to be a community.

Edit: you fucked my hiku zen, thanks

[TahoeJ]

About S T R's
can acknowledge the impact
hate game not player

I think a lot of anger is being misdirected at people like powpig's girlfriend when this is all really the result of a failure of local leadership. There is absolutely value in having *some* vacation rentals in the area, but the lack of regulation and forward thinking is what's causing the problems, including housing shortages for locals.