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02-02-2021, 01:15 PM #1701Registered User
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Back in the eighties we'd build snow caves in the cornices along the ridge of Dutches. One winter there was a multiple room cave so more than one group could camp.
Access was from the BCC store, now a real estate and prival outfit.
The 9990 lift was controversial prior to construction. I attended an on site show and tell with the FS, mountain manager from American skiing and various other groups. At that time the consensus was top of the lift on the bench below 9990, lacking a view of Dutches. Wasn't done because the goal was expansion onto adjacent public land which the forest service wouldn't give the ski area.
Minimal solution would be a beeping beacon sign, with a White Pine style exit gate, much better.
BTW, I remember Ned Randolph and Jimmie with his homemade whippet for skiing lines no one had thought of. I think Ned skied tele?
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02-02-2021, 01:16 PM #1702
I would be in favor of a gate at Saddleback. Makes sense. Early season people ducking the rope and skinning up anyway. I have lived here too long and have known/seen too many people either get seriously injured or die in avalanches accessed by the current gate. I would bet money that something changes there before the beginning of next season
“How does it feel to be the greatest guitarist in the world? I don’t know, go ask Rory Gallagher”. — Jimi Hendrix
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02-02-2021, 01:19 PM #1703
For the record, it is 100% PCMR's decision whether they want to have gates open or closed. The gate is on private land and the Forest Service has no say in their decision either way.
Ben Kraja, a U.S. Forest Service official who manages special use permits for ski areas in the Cottonwood Canyons, said the agency does not govern whether the gate, which is on private land, is open or shut.“It’s entirely up to the ski resort,” Kraja said of managing backcountry access gates. “We don’t mandate it, but we do encourage the ski resorts to provide some sort of access to public land. It’s totally up to them — it’s on private land, it’s their own private gate.”
https://www.parkrecord.com/news/summ...ets-attention/
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02-02-2021, 01:43 PM #1704
So in some ways it’s the same as going up to my ski hill on a 1-2’ dump day with a Dodge Charger or minivan and all seasons. People slide off the road, collide and deaths may occur. Similarly IMO - leaving backcountry gate with no equipment or knowledge or a partner is a bad choice
Now I’m of the belief that not all of this is ever going to be policed. Let’s examine last weekend at my home resort. Gate was closed with ropes up for control work. People tried and some did duck the rope. Now ski patrol can’t do control work or these people may get buried. The rope line is long and they found spots to duck. I can’t expect patrol to be at every point on the line
Same with gates. Should someone have to be there all day like a lifeguard?
There is a point where some folks should not be in the canyon on a pow day, or going out gates with no gear or ducking lines into big resort exposure that has not been controlled
It’s a learning experience and we all make mistakes as evidenced by my ducking ropes at Alta in 2010 or spending a night down by the river after going out a gate at revelstoke.
Hopefully we live and learn and don’t impact others, hurt someone else or die.
But if it’s a 16% grade and there is 6 inches on the road turn your minivan around. If it’s a gate in considerable Avy danger and you have no gear, partner or knowledge turn around
That said accidents will happen and we just try to learn. But policing everything will never happen. We have to learn and police ourselves. I also ask people when I see them on the road, at the gate or trying to duck the rope. But I’m just another skier trying to balance risk. I don’t duck ropes, I got snow tires and have Avy gear and training. I’m trying to reduce risk as much as possible and come home to my family. I also try to help others learn when I can
Be safe out there! Not a rant, just some thoughts from Jack Handy....
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Utah?
Yeah, Utah. It's wedged in between Wyoming and Nevada. You've seen pictures of it, right?
So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....
Thanks BCSAR and POWMOW Ski Patrol for rescues
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02-02-2021, 01:50 PM #1705
Also: D-Roc. Thanks for sharing your experience of getting caught. I'm glad you're still around and hope we can grab a few turns together once you've got the knee sorted out.
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02-02-2021, 02:05 PM #1706
I would love to see a non-profit/volunteer org do exactly that - i am envisioning a crusty old dude in a beach chair at the top of the bootpack just laying into people who shouldnt be up there. Not affiliated with the resort or FS, just a good samaritan educating the uninitiated. No authority to stop people from exercising their constitutional right to be a moron, but more in your face then a UAC billboard & a skull/crossbones gate.
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02-02-2021, 02:07 PM #1707
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02-02-2021, 02:12 PM #1708
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02-02-2021, 02:28 PM #1709
At the risk of being insensitive and overly morbid: leave the bodies up there like they do on Everest?
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02-02-2021, 02:32 PM #1710Banned
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I agree impossible for usfs to control trailheads.
Also agree with a snowbird like situation Al la gad2 (white pine). They control when it opens and you have to check in to go. It won't prevent all deaths but should minimize the riff raff with the realization that the reason they are checking in is because they may never come home.
Vibes to the Utah crew for the recent avies/deaths. Never fun and with pent up covid, low snow, well. Stay safe y'all
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02-02-2021, 02:32 PM #1711
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02-02-2021, 02:33 PM #1712
People die every year at angels landing. People die every year on Portal. We would never think it appropriate to close those. I see no distinction here.
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02-02-2021, 02:42 PM #1713
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02-02-2021, 02:43 PM #1714
Hey you! Yeah you young whipper snapper. Did you see the Avy forecast this morning? Are you sure you want to go out in those big zones? Show me your beacon and gear! Hey, where is your helmet. I told you last time no helmet, no access.
Dudes like just laying into them in a crusty “ I remember when we did this on 200 cm with rear entry.
“ Where’s your buddy! “
What do you mean you left your beacon in the car. Your car is on the lot. We know where your car is. We are trying to ensure your buddy can dig you out if we have to. Dang man, come on help me out here. I don’t sit here for the tan!
Volunteers needed
Experience required
Crusty, backcountry experience and don’t take no crap.
Perks, sun yelling at people and keeping them safe
Sent from my iPhone using TGR ForumsI need to go to Utah.
Utah?
Yeah, Utah. It's wedged in between Wyoming and Nevada. You've seen pictures of it, right?
So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....
Thanks BCSAR and POWMOW Ski Patrol for rescues
8, 17, 13, 18, 16, 18, 20, 19, 16, 24, 32, 35
2021/2022 (13/15)
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02-02-2021, 02:53 PM #1715
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02-02-2021, 02:55 PM #1716
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02-02-2021, 02:59 PM #1717
People put themselves at risk responding to injuries on both. Both attract similar #’s of low experience riders and hikers. I think if you talked about closing Angels Landing, lawsuits would ensue. We should close whole enchilada too. Heck, half the riders on that trail are over their heads and rescue / recovery is probably out there every week at a minimum.
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02-02-2021, 03:00 PM #1718
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02-02-2021, 03:00 PM #1719
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02-02-2021, 03:06 PM #1720
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02-02-2021, 03:07 PM #1721
this is a tough appeal you are trying to make considering that you are asking a private landowner in northern utah, a national park in southwest utah, and a forest service & blm unit in southeast utah to all collaborate on managing their different lands in the same manner.
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02-02-2021, 03:24 PM #1722
Everyone should be allowed to use explosives in the backcountry. problem solved.
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02-02-2021, 03:43 PM #1723
Ever heard of a piss bomb?
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02-02-2021, 03:44 PM #1724
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02-02-2021, 03:49 PM #1725
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