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08-09-2021, 04:00 PM #3976
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08-09-2021, 06:38 PM #3977
There’s clearly only one way to solve this issue. Cap the number of people allowed in the canyon at any one time. And that’s never going to happen. Currently that’s done by limited parking spots and there’s still way too many people. My analysis is that things will continue to be fucked. And when the gondola gets built (it will, just looks who’s behind it) the lines at the ski hills will be even more insane. Unless we follow Brutah’s suggestion and just fully euro the whole wasatch. Lifts everywhere! I’d be down if we could get ski patrol to not blow up every last snow flake in the wasatch 🤪.
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08-09-2021, 07:21 PM #3978Banned
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Better get used to standing in the trees towards the condos and walking uphill back to the wildcat lift.
If I didn't miss the terrain so much I would say I timed my move back east almost perfectly. I'm sure SFB is happy my jersey ass is gone. Love ya brother
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08-09-2021, 07:21 PM #3979
What, you saying I'm traumatized, huh? I'm FINE: fucking in needa everything. You're right, the highway closing itself happened more often in days gone by. Forecasting is better and way more conservative.
There was a Christmas eve storm in the '80s where Bengt, the up canyon forecaster, went to bed, radio off, and unplugged his phone.
Shit was real that night...
Weather and avalanches have become more catastrophic world wide. The hoax of climate change and all.
These higher density with high PI rate events falling on light density we are seeing more of lately are smacking the road easier, harder, and don't give much lead time...
Just one catastrophe could take more lives than we can imagine; one catastrophe is too many.
So, between widening the road or installing a gondola, it's a no brainer for me.
Somewhat alarming news shared by UDOT with the Granite Community Council which my buddy sits on.
John Thomas who used to be the engineer who'd meet with the council was not there, but a salesman type was.
Said that UDOT would limit the gondola to 1,050 pph.
Logic being that they're gonna move the same number with either alternative.
Huh?
Snow sheds for both alternatives.
Doppelmayr was at the meeting as well and said that the towers and cable would be capable of moving 4,000 pph, all you'd have to do is add more cabins.
!BIGGEST ALARM!
The gravel bit at the mouth of BCC had state funding at one time for 3,000 parking stalls. What happened to that money?
With the bus alternative it's 1,500.
With the gondola alternative it's 600.
My friend reported that UDOT is planning on 300 stalls if the gondola happens.
Huh?
No matter what we do for the Cottonwoods we must secure parking for carpooling and mass transit.
We have watched most prime available land get sold for McMansions for years.
This is the last big chunk that's not Federally controlled and we need to lobby for much more acreage at the gravel pit, a perfect hub for the Cottonwoods, than their shortsighted minds have in mind...
Whatever one's opinion on transportation in the Canyon's, please comment on this gravel pit oversight by the Sept. 3 deadline, eh?Last edited by telefreewasatch; 08-09-2021 at 08:54 PM. Reason: clarification
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08-09-2021, 07:25 PM #3980Banned
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I wish, you especially, the best of luck up there. It's not just skiing untracked pow lines on patrol eh?
Cheers to you and your brothers and sisters. You keep us safe and enjoying sliding on snow.
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08-09-2021, 08:24 PM #3981
I met one of the owners of the gravel pit earlier this summer. He told me there have been zero formal talks with UDOT about buying any portion of it, and there is certainly not any kind of agreement in place. He said it will take 5-10 more years to finish mining the land (depending on the specific section) and they do not plan to sell until they have taken all the gravel they can get.
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08-09-2021, 08:37 PM #3982
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08-09-2021, 08:56 PM #3983
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08-09-2021, 10:13 PM #3984Hungover & Homeless
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So if our "third option" is to limit canyon capacity, what're the odds that pass prices stay the same with a lottery vs it becomes 3x the cost? I haven't been here that long, but long enough to know where I'll put my money.
The powers that be don't give a fuck how long the lift lines are. They want you to buy a ticket and leave after one run when they already have your money. "Come For the Skiing, Go Home for Lunch"
So what happens when your lift-served friends can't afford a pass anywhere in the state anymore? Methinks they look to the backcountry before they think about packing up and moving. Because the lift lines, traffic, lift tickets, real estate, and skiing is so much better in Jackson, Tahoe, or the Front Range, right? Because the management is different there and they wouldn't catch on? How do y'all feel about a 3x growth in backcountry users over one season? Do backcountry users generate so much revenue for the state that they'll expand parking in Whitepine, at the S turn, town of Alta?
as El Presidente said, "Just one catastrophe could take more lives than we can imagine; one is too many."
I'm not saying I have the metaphorical silver bullet. Maybe a dozen or so literal ones. Or maybe those were Banquets. Anyhoots, I've been looking at real estate prices back in upstate NY and thinking about other alternatives to get my rocks off. Real estate costs there 30-40% what they are here, might as well get ahead of the curve. Soon enough you'll be able to bike year round there, too, right?
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08-09-2021, 10:20 PM #3985
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08-09-2021, 11:52 PM #3986Registered User
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Just a conversation piece and meaning no disrespect of the erudite comments. Changes are occurring exponentially and unpredictably. Drought and warming, more weather extremes, exceedingly crappy air, overcrowding, seemingly all at once but everything has been building. Canyon traffic issues may be the least of our problems.
Next winter could be interesting with no lake to produce lake effect, and limited water for snowmaking?
I could be full of it, and hope so. Those of us around for a while can be so grateful that we had the best of times in the "Greatest Snow on Earth."
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08-10-2021, 07:42 AM #3987
um theres still a great salt lake covering about 1000 miles even at historic lows
so im going with not very observant rather than full of it
and last low was 63
it snowed a bit in 64
canyon bus service and uta has sucked since ive been here
and enhancing it to the point of not sucking is a pipe dream"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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08-10-2021, 09:56 AM #3988Registered User
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RIGHT!
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08-10-2021, 11:06 AM #3989
On the capacity issue: My semi-conspiratorial take would be that they're gaming the cost estimates to make the bus and gondola options appear cost-neutral. Quadrupling the number of cabins on the line throws that out of whack. Same reason why they're saying it will only operate 120 days/year.
On the parking issue: The Gondolaworks group is, AFAIK, only offering up that ground for the base station if a parking structure is attached to it. To keep everything cost-neutral with the bus alternative the Gravel Pit and Highland Drive mobility hubs have to shrink. It seems completely crazy to put the majority of the parking at the mouth of the canyon instead of satellite locations, but what the hell do I know....
Holy shit.
I don't know about upstate NY, but in a decade-ish when my kid has finished college I'll be looking at an exit strategy regardless of how ruined the skiing is. There's going to be 4+ million people on the Wasatch Front in 10-15 years (100% growth is projected in Utah County ). That's getting into proper big city numbers and I'm just not interested in living in a metro area that large.
Way back in the day when I drove a beat up Civic I rode the bus all the time and it was generally great. Never had a problem getting a parking spot or a seat and it sure beat chaining up.Last edited by Dantheman; 08-10-2021 at 02:06 PM.
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08-10-2021, 11:15 AM #3990
A lot of respect for your service up there, and thanks
I am not seeing how a Gondola would help with the randomly hitting road closure issues you mentioned previously.
>cars that get stuck will still be stuck...and getting those people to an evacuation Gondola would be troublesome .
>having a Gondola for emergencies ,as was stated in your earlier mention, would be extremely rare.
>can't get to a Gondola when there's inter lodge...so it's not really an option there.
Sounds like better preemptive control work investment would be the key to keeping you guys safe. (like air forced control devices at the worst spots, and using them in coordination with closed roads)
many would have to go through the line of traffic on wasatch blvd to get to the Gondola as well.
Wasatch and LCC road widening with dedicated bus lanes seems like the logical choice...though bus service has been so weak in the past its hard to get people on board.
I love the idea of a tire check station too....you would have volunteers line up ,as suggested before...for a 10-15% cut on the fines /or a free ski pass if fines are a bad idea.(really should have them turn around imo ,not fine them)
Bussing has been convenient last few years . No matter what ,on POW days it'll be insane, no Gondola would stop that. And, a dedicated Bus lane would be an attraction to use that route.
To make busses more attractive the resorts should throw up some more lockers... don't need full scale indoor facilities, just somewhere to toss extra gear and stuff with a carport style roof and some benches.
Anyways ,keep up the good work and lets hope for a great next season!ski paintingshttp://michael-cuozzo.fineartamerica.com" horror has a face; you must make a friend of horror...horror and moral terror.. are your friends...if not, they are enemies to be feared...the horror"....col Kurtz
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08-10-2021, 11:33 AM #3991
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08-10-2021, 01:33 PM #3992Registered User
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08-10-2021, 01:35 PM #3993
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08-10-2021, 03:31 PM #3994
The original plan for the gravel pit, dating back to the Tavaci days, was that in order for the new owner and developer to purchase the property a significant portion was to be turned into a mobility hub and mixed use. SLCO and Cottonwood Heights both pledged that they would hold the new owners to this before they would sign off on any zoning changes. Not sure what happened to that idea.
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08-10-2021, 03:56 PM #3995
The comment from owner of gravel pit sounds a lot like posturing for eminent domain taking. Happens all the time. They’d rather fight it out on the appraisals than quarry the stone I’d have to imagine.
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08-10-2021, 04:14 PM #3996
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08-10-2021, 07:03 PM #3997ski paintingshttp://michael-cuozzo.fineartamerica.com" horror has a face; you must make a friend of horror...horror and moral terror.. are your friends...if not, they are enemies to be feared...the horror"....col Kurtz
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08-11-2021, 06:28 AM #3998
i drove up the lcc once last year
and came over from the big a few to gits to silly fk
thread needs sum
poundkeybakebrothers"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
"I find I have already had my reward, in the doing of the thing" - Buzz Holmstrom
"THIS IS WHAT WE DO"-AML -ski on in eternal peace
"I have posted in here but haven't read it carefully with my trusty PoliAsshat antenna on."-DipshitDanno
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08-11-2021, 07:58 AM #3999
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08-11-2021, 10:52 AM #4000
They still should just start by checking tires.
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