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  1. #1226
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    Quote Originally Posted by riff View Post
    My girlfriend is a long time patroller up at Stevens, and is a big part of the patrol union after the Vail purchase. Sheís on the contract negotiating team for the patrol, and theyíve essentially been deadlocked with Vail legal for 20 months now. Without going into lengthy details, Vail oversight hasnít improved working conditions at Stevens, and the patrol unionized to hopefully have a voice. Sheís been working through entire days of contract negotiations, every month or so, for almost two years, with very little progress. The patrol did a few interviews with media lately and had an informational picket in downtown Leavenworth. If Vail doesnít start bargaining in good faith, the patrol union may step it up. As for the lift ops stuff, Iím not informed about the mechanical state of things, but last week the lifties did do a last minute sorta protest by not showing up. They contacted my gal to talk through some of the things they are struggling with. I know this isnít really any clarity for whatís happening up there, but I only patrolled up there for a couple years and got out before the Vail purchase so I stay out of the gritty details on the politics and just support her as needed. Letís just say, If you have a way to express your feelings to the Vail overlords, the working people on the mountain would appreciate your support. Iíll find a few of the contact methods and post them up here if you all like.


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    I was up there on Sunday night. Kehrs and Tye closed at 4 sharp. Brooks "Broken" (a little birdie told me VR considers it redundant and so drag their feet on repairs). I talked to four lifties, 1 patroller and the cafe folks: Everyone is f****** miserable. Direct quote: "We want to be here, we want to work, The choices management is making is making that harder and harder".

    It's now 1:00 on a weekday. Backside remains closed and not due to unmitigatable avy danger. Stevens is a shell of its former self, and it's a damn shame.

    I wrote a nasty tweet, I emailed management. I'm not sure what else a single customer can do except vote with their wallet. My suspicion is that buying Stevens has been a bit of a boondoggle for Vail, particularly with the border closure impacting Epic sales, and as a result they're doing everything they can to clamp down on costs. This intern is going to lead to a vicious cycle: less of the mountain open will send paying customers elsewhere, intern decreasing revenue and forcing further closures. My only hope is that they're forced to sell in the near future.

    As much as I'd like to think otherwise, I seriously doubt anyone in management cares what John q mouthbreather thinks of their business practices...

  2. #1227
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskydoc View Post
    My only hope is that they're forced to sell in the near future.
    I hope for this also.

    Stevens seems to be outside Vail's usual arena of real estate speculation. With nowhere to put a hotel, how can they be profitable? Maybe it's just a write off so they don't care?

  3. #1228
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    The Stevens experience has definitely changed. I also get that Vail is a business, making decisions for profit/shareholder reasons. However, the overwhelming number of people I talk with agree with you; please sell and gtfo. Turnover of disgusted senior patrollers makes it really tough to open terrain in a safe and timely way on avy mornings.


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  4. #1229
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackattack View Post
    Stevens seems to be outside Vail's usual arena of real estate speculation. With nowhere to put a hotel, how can they be profitable? Maybe it's just a write off so they don't care?
    Buying Stevens was solely an attempt to tap into Pugetopolis market to sell more Epic passes. Because you are much more likely to buy an Epic pass and book a trip to Whistler or other vail destinations when you can also use that Epic pass at Stevens.

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    Farther south... goods were had at Xtal today. Nice day to link up with a few mags and get some fun turns in. Busy as a weekend though...

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    Anyone else get sandbagged at Northway gate 4 today? A group of maybe 40 people sitting waiting for the rope to drop for 45 min. Patrol finally comes by and when you get into the bowl it's totally skied out. Talked to the lifty at the bottom and he said they'd been loading people for 30 minutes. Was like 3rd through the gate and ended up passing moms and their kids on the run out.

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    After talking with my gal about the jangle at Stevens today, safe to say it was unrelated to Vail stuff- this time. Really bad roads made lots of employees late, and a few other difficult things added up.


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  8. #1233
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    Quote Originally Posted by riff View Post
    After talking with my gal about the jangle at Stevens today, safe to say it was unrelated to Vail stuff- this time. Really bad roads made lots of employees late, and a few other difficult things added up.


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    Sick pics riff++++

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimpy View Post
    Sick pics riff++++
    Thanks! Really grateful for recent conditions, treading lightly.


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    Been getting lucky at gate 4 the last few times.... always a crapshoot.

    Quote Originally Posted by cstefanic View Post
    Anyone else get sandbagged at Northway gate 4 today? A group of maybe 40 people sitting waiting for the rope to drop for 45 min. Patrol finally comes by and when you get into the bowl it's totally skied out. Talked to the lifty at the bottom and he said they'd been loading people for 30 minutes. Was like 3rd through the gate and ended up passing moms and their kids on the run out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    If I lived in WA, Oft would be my realtor. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickstad View Post
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    Did Todd give them the dirt?


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    that must have been good

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    Did Todd give them the dirt?


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    Quote Originally Posted by wickstad View Post
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    I can envision the interview going something like this:

    "last year I was at Beaver Creek, and they had cookies at the end of the day. I'm here at Stevens, which Vail bought, and NO COOKIES!"
    "We don't beat the reaper by living longer, we beat the reaper by living well and living fully." - Randy Pausch

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    Snow in the PNW 20-21: We may have Corona but Corona doesn't have us!

    Skied the morning at xtal today. Snow was somewhat dense and wind-whipped but pretty fun on the steeps. Lifts servicing steep terrain are more busy on weekdays this year than weekends. Weekdays do not have beginners soaking up the reservation slots. Edit: it was at least true with this last weekend, which had fairly low crowds.


    Quote Originally Posted by cstefanic View Post
    Anyone else get sandbagged at Northway gate 4 today? A group of maybe 40 people sitting waiting for the rope to drop for 45 min. Patrol finally comes by and when you get into the bowl it's totally skied out. Talked to the lifty at the bottom and he said they'd been loading people for 30 minutes. Was like 3rd through the gate and ended up passing moms and their kids on the run out.
    We were at the top and the patroller said their would be this weird situation with the upper gates closed. We blasted by you and made tracks down to NW..... twice. The whole thing was odd

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    I ended up timing it pretty perfect today. Linked up with powder_to_the_people mid morning after closing out some work. We hit Rex once and then over for a GV lap and straight to Northway as they were dropping gate 6. Made first set of chairs up Northway, skied a practically untracked Brand-X. Uploaded NW one last time as the line had exploded. At that point pttp bailed and I went solo up FQ to Chair 6 just to see what’s up. Well turns out they just popped Southback. Got two laps, second one up the King with Alyosha. It was...DEEP. But the snow came in a bit upside down and I shoulda brought the goats...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thejongiest View Post
    I ended up timing it pretty perfect today. Linked up with powder_to_the_people mid morning after closing out some work. We hit Rex once and then over for a GV lap and straight to Northway as they were dropping gate 6. Made first set of chairs up Northway, skied a practically untracked Brand-X. Uploaded NW one last time as the line had exploded. At that point pttp bailed and I went solo up FQ to Chair 6 just to see what’s up. Well turns out they just popped Southback. Got two laps, second one up the King with Alyosha. It was...DEEP. But the snow came in a bit upside down and I shoulda brought the goats...
    goats were good at Xtal today. Started with a money run down exterminator, couple on rex, went to check out Northway and things were still on hold and got a 30-60m time line. Went to Left angle saw EH was open. Another set of first tracks. headed to six and a couple laps out south. SE trees were DEEP. Should still be good tomorrow.
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    Shitty to here about the situation at Steven’s. I hope the best for the patrollers and crew. I’d love to see that mountain get back to what it was in 2010.

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    Shitty to here about the situation at Stevenís. I hope the best for the patrollers and crew. Iíd love to see that mountain get back to what it was in 1992.[/QUOTE]

    Fify

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    Thanks, not that old though. I was learning to ski at Hurricane ridge in 92.

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    After a few nights boondocking on Forest Service roads around the 410 corridor and having been screwed by the Crystal RV reservation site too many times to count, I reached out to the Forest Service about the Silver Springs Campground below the Crystal Boulevard about having it be open in the winter as a more legitimate option to parking along the road deep in the woods. They replied that they've bounced that idea around a few times but they would need to build a business case for privately-run campground to consider this. To give them a small snapshot of possible clientele, I've put together this simple questionnaire to gauge what the cost interest could be.

    If you're a Crystal rider and would be interested in the Silver Springs area being an option for October-May, please take a second to drop a response into this document--or shoot me a PM with any other ideas.

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...rm?usp=sf_link

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstefanic View Post
    After a few nights boondocking on Forest Service roads around the 410 corridor and having been screwed by the Crystal RV reservation site too many times to count, I reached out to the Forest Service about the Silver Springs Campground below the Crystal Boulevard about having it be open in the winter as a more legitimate option to parking along the road deep in the woods. They replied that they've bounced that idea around a few times but they would need to build a business case for privately-run campground to consider this. To give them a small snapshot of possible clientele, I've put together this simple questionnaire to gauge what the cost interest could be.

    If you're a Crystal rider and would be interested in the Silver Springs area being an option for October-May, please take a second to drop a response into this document--or shoot me a PM with any other ideas.

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...rm?usp=sf_link
    I think if you posted it to the FB groups (TAY, Skiers / Riders in PNW, etc.) and added some things like:

    1. How many people would you normally camp with?
    2. How often would you come?
    3. Would you prefer FCFS or reservations system?

    That would be really helpful. I would definitely sleep there if I could have a fire pit and access to restrooms. Without that, I'm not as interested in paying vs. boondocking. The problem is, things would probably get crazy if you had plowed roads, fire pit, and restrooms. You'd have to monitor it closely - also you'd probably want to do some sort of reservation system.

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    Couldn't make it up to Mission today but they finally got Chair 2 loading again!

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    Thanks for the input! I've included your questions with some approximate answers. I've also got it shared to one of the FB groups, but may spam it out to the larger TAY group in there, too.

    My ideal is to have the winter just be plowed camp sites and a working restroom, but I have a feeling keeping the restroom cleaned and area staffed for 5 months could be challenging. We'll see what they say when presented with this extra information.

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