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    Quote Originally Posted by scandy89 View Post
    Typical though...So desperate to adhere to what the media, fear porn, big pharma and your political messiahís tell you with their impeccable reputation of dishonesty, Itís adorable.
    Speaking of "typical though." Surprised you didn't throw "sheep" in there for good measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandy89 View Post
    Typical though, don’t actually address the argument. Just spout childish insults, and throw mainstream media talking points with no backing. So desperate to adhere to what the media, fear porn, big pharma and your political messiah’s tell you with their impeccable reputation of dishonesty, It’s adorable.
    I listen to our family physician, whose advice is consistent with his college of practice, and is a member in excellent standing. I have not contracted COVID-19, nor has any member of my family, and there is little benefit to rolling the dice to prove a stupid point.
    This is a pandemic, the hospitals are full, regular emergencies and scheduled care is suffering, nurses like my wife are severely overworked in an already stretched provincial health system.
    Get the vaccine. Wear a mask. Take a bit of extra caution to remain safe and healthy. Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandy89 View Post
    These were just a quick google search, I donít know if they were THE 15, thereís plenty more than these anyway. The medrxiv links are pending peer review, happy to be proven wrong. is the Phizer clinical trial rejected? Do these not pass the Rachel Maddow or Don Lemmon narrative review? Thatís literally where the masses are getting their ďfollow the scienceĒ opinions.

    Even if peer review certainly doesnít mean a study is ďDogshitĒ anyways, look into the data and itís sources and still tell me itís dogshit.
    Hereís some more if you want..

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.epdf

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-...overy-covid-19

    Convince me natural immunity isnít as if not more sufficient. Please.


    Typical though, donít actually address the argument. Just spout childish insults, and throw mainstream media talking points with no backing. So desperate to adhere to what the media, fear porn, big pharma and your political messiahís tell you with their impeccable reputation of dishonesty, Itís adorable.
    Haaaaaa looking like my appraisal was spot fkn on! #freedumbfromtheelites
    Hahahahaaaaa

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCMtnHound View Post
    I listen to our family physician, whose advice is consistent with his college of practice, and is a member in excellent standing. I have not contracted COVID-19, nor has any member of my family, and there is little benefit to rolling the dice to prove a stupid point.
    This is a pandemic, the hospitals are full, regular emergencies and scheduled care is suffering, nurses like my wife are severely overworked in an already stretched provincial health system.
    Get the vaccine. Wear a mask. Take a bit of extra caution to remain safe and healthy. Please.
    I wouldnít be talking to a family physician about this anyway, Iíve only sought advice from a few local docs who are more experts in functional
    Medicine and immunology. I talked to a big hospital general practice doc a few months ago and he couldnít give me shit for info on why I should get it other than the standard talking points, ďsafe and effectiveĒ

    Anyway, I still donít see the point, the more data that comes out the more it looks like my natural immunity is better than that of the vaccinated anyway. Which is consistent with other viruses.

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    you donít see the point because you are looking at the wrong problem

    the problem is throughput of our medical system

    stop over analyzing

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    Haaaaaa looking like my appraisal was spot fkn on! #freedumbfromtheelites
    Hahahahaaaaa

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    Just make sure you ask cnn if itís ok to take your mask off in the car. #stayhomestaysafe #trustfauci #restrictmeharderdaddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by shroom View Post
    you donít see the point because you are looking at the wrong problem

    the problem is throughput of our medical system

    stop over analyzing
    What do you mean? Genuinely curious. That fat sick people who think pills = health are more an issue and spread disease? Ageeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandy89 View Post
    Just make sure you ask cnn if itís ok to take your mask off in the car. #stayhomestaysafe #trustfauci #restrictmeharderdaddy
    Youre a moron that will believe anything that supports your misguided want to do whatever the f you want, facts be damned
    I have about 5 stations on my tv and non of them are cnn or msnbc so im not really up to date on what goes on there but im sure its an f of a lot closer to reality than the fox news bs that you'd spout as truth if you thought it would allow you to do whatever the fuck you wanted to and make stoopid claims of being some type of intellectual "health nerd". So far all i see is the flashing moron light in full high beam. Its just more laughable when youre willfully ignorant to that obvious fact, so please carry on with the knee slappers bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandy89 View Post
    These were just a quick google search...
    Hey look everyone, it's the root of our collective problem!


    QUOTE=scandy89;6404581]
    Convince me natural immunity isn’t as if not more sufficient. Please.
    .[/QUOTE]

    *Shrug* ok!

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    Youre a moron that will believe anything that supports your misguided want to do whatever the f you want, facts be damned
    I have about 5 stations on my tv and non of them are cnn or msnbc so im not really up to date on what goes on there but im sure its an f of a lot closer to reality than the fox news bs that you'd spout as truth if you thought it would allow you to do whatever the fuck you wanted to and make stoopid claims of being some type of intellectual "health nerd". So far all i see is these few flashing moron light in full high beam. Its just more laughable when youre willfully ignorant to that obvious fact, so please carry on with the knee slappers bud

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    I havenít watched Fox News in years, anyway, itís not about doing what I want, bitch I was wearing masks last year before we had good days on masks when this first hit my county and everyone was looking at me like I was crazy. Though itís a non issue, your freedom is more important than my safety anyway, if I want to be safe thatís my responsibility.

    Anyway, nice job making literally no point, just wait for the next fear porn talking point, jump on that 100% and forget about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandy89 View Post
    I havenít watched Fox News in years, anyway, itís not about doing what I want, bitch I was wearing masks last year before we had good days on masks when this first hit my county and everyone was looking at me like I was crazy. Though itís a non issue, your freedom is more important than my safety anyway, if I want to be safe thatís my responsibility.

    Anyway, nice job making literally no point, just wait for the next fear porn talking point, jump on that 100% and forget about this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Huskydoc View Post
    Hey look everyone, it's the root of our collective problem!


    QUOTE=scandy89;6404581]
    Convince me natural immunity isnít as if not more sufficient. Please.
    .
    *Shrug* ok!

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm[/QUOTE]Hey spanky98 ,wheres your rebuttal to Hdoc? Come on kid enlighten us some more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskydoc View Post
    Hey look everyone, it's the root of our collective problem!


    QUOTE=scandy89;6404581]
    Convince me natural immunity isnít as if not more sufficient. Please.

    *Shrug* ok!

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

    Hahaha isnít this the one the CDC admitted was an ďhonest mistakeĒ? And wrote 5 limitations of the study.
    And you complain that a few of the shit ton of studies I showed werenít peer reviewed? 😂

    They even say ďfindings cannot be used to infer causationĒ..
    And acknowledge that test seeking behaviour may skew the findings to exaggerate vaccine effectiveness, as vaccinated people are probably less likely to get tested.

    The study also doesnít include symptom data so we donít know whether the reinfections were actual disease or just asymptomatic, mild infections of the kind that are just the immune system working. Hence the importance of measuring hospitalization and serious cases.

    Especially that the benefits of natural immunity are most noticed long term and in new variants, which is exactly why itís doing so much better against Delta. And Phizer has a shit effectiveness of 42%

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    What exactly is your point, Scandy? Is it only that natural immunity is better than the vaccine? Even if that's true do you think people who have never had Covid should get vaccinated? With closing in on six billion shots administered are you willing to admit that the vaccines are safe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    What exactly is your point, Scandy? Is it only that natural immunity is better than the vaccine? Even if that's true do you think people who have never had Covid should get vaccinated? With closing in on six billion shots administered are you willing to admit that the vaccines are safe?
    I've noticed that these people usually don't really have a point. They just like to argue and tell others they are wrong. And if you try to suggest otherwise they shout "BIG PHARMA," "CNN," "UNDERLYING CONDITIONS" until they're blue in the face.

    If his natural immunity is better than being vaccinated, then he could easily become super-immune by getting vaxxed as well. No-brainer if you ask me.

    More on-topic, Canada could be in such good shape right now if it weren't for Alberta. Do they still want to separate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    If his natural immunity is better than being vaccinated, then he could easily become super-immune by getting vaxxed as well. No-brainer if you ask me.
    Precisely. At worst it would have no benefit, but essentially zero risk. More than likely it would provide additional protection against infection and especially the longer it's been since that initial infection.

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    Goddamnit, Alberta. You're ruining everything!

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    Smithers is a northern & provincial covid hotspot after a rodeo and the telkwa BBQ

    I think its the antivax christian/ conservative & red neck christian/ rugged individualists/thro in some itinerent pipeline workers

    Not really up to speed on the situ completely cuz I been out in the bush biking for a week but I started keeping low profile almost 2 weeks ago and will continue to do so, I think it might be deeply dividing the town

    I heard 1 person died
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandy89 View Post
    These were just a quick google search, I donít know if they were THE 15, thereís plenty more than these anyway. The medrxiv links are pending peer review, happy to be proven wrong. is the Phizer clinical trial rejected? Do these not pass the Rachel Maddow or Don Lemmon narrative review? Thatís literally where the masses are getting their ďfollow the scienceĒ opinions.

    Even if peer review certainly doesnít mean a study is ďDogshitĒ anyways, look into the data and itís sources and still tell me itís dogshit.
    Hereís some more if you want..

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4.epdf

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-...overy-covid-19

    Convince me natural immunity isnít as if not more sufficient. Please.


    Typical though, donít actually address the argument. Just spout childish insults, and throw mainstream media talking points with no backing. So desperate to adhere to what the media, fear porn, big pharma and your political messiahís tell you with their impeccable reputation of dishonesty, Itís adorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    I've noticed that these people usually don't really have a point. They just like to argue and tell others they are wrong.
    ...because they desperately want to be smarter than everyone else

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    Well it doesn't help that the public messaging is unclear or inconsistent: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...eading/620062/

    I think most of the confusion can be chalked up to incompetence on many fronts. What should be universally agreed to is that you need to take care of your health and do your part to not make the problem worse. Good luck getting any consensus regarding how to achieve that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    I've noticed that these people usually don't really have a point. They just like to argue and tell others they are wrong. And if you try to suggest otherwise they shout "BIG PHARMA," "CNN," "UNDERLYING CONDITIONS" until they're blue in the face.
    Gotta admit, 'fear porn' was a new one to me.

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    This thread took a turn for the douche. Wasn't this already discussed. There are studies both ways but the difference if positive was tiny like 2-3%. Can't remember the studies that showed other way but there did seem to be more of them. Ok I can see theoretically natural should be better as anti bodies will also be in mucus your first line of defense and there will also be antibodies to other parts of the virus other than just the one spike protein and therefore be slightly better at handling variants. And compared to the conventional vax like sino and the like, that is probably the case but compared to mRNA it seems to be a dead heat. You get the vax on top of infection you will be a supper immunity guy. Be a big T cell Baller. Don't be a pussy get jabbed. Your superior body will prevent any and all side effects that lesser beings will experience.

    Has anyone looked at the FB group BC Businesses against Health Pass seems to be strong in the interior, biz post that they will not be checking etc or their work arounds etc. I was thinking as a joke post a Asian RubNTug, yes kinda racist,
    " Come on Number 1 Rub You and get no masks, staff have no masks as they carry every disease possible including Yellow Fever, Covid, TB and lots of STDs. Even floor has lots of rusty nails so you get lock jaw. Come and test your natural immune system. Free from 20 century medicine let alone 21st. Also offer blood letting and leaches. On site barber can remove teeth then give you shave and haircut."

    maybe too much
    Mrs. Dougw- "I can see how one of your relatives could have been killed by an angry mob."

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    dougW, you motherfucking dirty son of a bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scandy89 View Post
    Hahaha isn’t this the one the CDC admitted was an “honest mistake”?
    Nope. Literally what I refer my patients to when imploring them to get vaccinated after I discharge them.

    In addition to https://www.science.org/doi/full/10....cience.abg9175

    Quote Originally Posted by scandy89 View Post
    And wrote 5 limitations of the study.
    If you were familiar with literature review you would know that acknowledging limitations is an essential component of any published work. Won't get published without that section.

    Quote Originally Posted by scandy89 View Post
    They even say “findings cannot be used to infer causation”..
    Is there a facepalm emoji here somewhere? Here's some homework: Explain what a case control study is and why it could never be used to infer causality. Bonus question: Explain why someone would use this design.

    /Rant.
    Apologies for cunting up the thread everyone, hope y'all can come down and sample some 'murican freedom soon. Except for Scandy. Maybe his mom can keep him locked in the basement until this is over, for everyone else's good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskydoc View Post
    Nope. Literally what I refer my patients to when imploring them to get vaccinated after I discharge them.


    If you were familiar with literature review you would know that acknowledging limitations is an essential component of any published work. Won't get published without that section.



    Is there a facepalm emoji here somewhere? Here's some homework: Explain what a case control study is and why it could never be used to infer causality. Bonus question: Explain why someone would use this design.

    /Rant.
    Apologies for cunting up the thread everyone, hope y'all can come down and sample some 'murican freedom soon. Except for Scandy. Maybe his mom can keep him locked in the basement until this is over, for everyone else's good.
    Might wanna double check that one, 3 people including the deputy director at the CDC admitted the flaw. Youíll look at this shit study but ignore the Israel studies? That even Lord Fauci said need to be considered?

    And thatís my point, a case study looking retrospectively at this data canít infer causation. Iíll even give it to you that itís a study worth looking at and considering. But to take this one pretty flawed example and ignore so many others seems pretty silly. I can sit down and talk to my functional Med doctors about this, but the general practice docs donít seem to be able to step beyond being a pharma salesman.

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    “A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.”

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