Canada Closed until US Gets Covid 19 Under Control

[The AD]

My point is that each individual needs to look at their own personal situation. Not just follow the mass psychosis everyone seems to be in where taking any consideration into whether you should get the shot gets you shamed.

This is where I believe you are wrong. All of us who have been vaccinated have taken the risks into consideration before doing so and we've concluded that the trivial risks associated with vaccine are massively overshadowed by the public health benefit of having as much of the population vaccinated against COVID-19 as possible. We don't consider it "mass psychosis." We consider it doing what's right for humanity.

[paulster2626]

My point is that each individual needs to look at their own personal situation. Not just follow the mass psychosis everyone seems to be in where taking any consideration into whether you should get the shot gets you shamed.

I do think if you haven’t had covid you should talk to a good doctor who will actually have a non biased discussion about getting the shot. For certain at risk people i definitely think the benefits of the shot outweigh the risks for some people.

I even said I’d consider the first shot if I feel like I’m at risk. But at this point I don’t think it’s worth it considering I have what the most recent data is saying, very good immunity and I’d like to see more long term and complete data. The Pfizer trial showing worse all cause death for the control group is concerning, especially when 2 people in the placebo group who got the vaccine after the trial also died of heart attacks. It’s bullshit that trial was only 6 months, I’d like to see that for 2 years as it should have been. And that they got rid of the placebo group by allowing them to vaccinate completely eliminates the chance at finding good long term data. Any vaccine I get I’ve looked into as much data as I could and talked to doctors about it before deciding for or against. And I just don’t think the data we have is sufficient yet.

The doctor I’m talking to has concerns over what he’s seen with lower natural T cells in vaccinated people, and wants to see if and how long lasting that is, he’s doing his own research with patients he’s having get a D-dimer test as he’s concerned with what he’s seeing in his vaccinated patients. This is a doctor who’s recommended that his older or unhealthy patients get the vaccine, it’s the kind of open curiosity that seems to be completely lacking in just about anyone.

How do you know your doctor is good? Because they're telling you what you want to hear?

My doctor sent me a notification saying to get vaccinated ASAP. He's a good doctor, you should talk to him instead.

Edit; I will concede that I personally have never looked in to data for any vaccine I've ever taken. Ever. And I never will. Because what the fuck is dumbass Paulster telecom expert going to figure out about a medicine that hundreds (thousands?) of people who know what they're doing have not? I'm not that narcissistic.

[paulster2626]

This is where I believe you are wrong. All of us who have been vaccinated have taken the risks into consideration before doing so and we've concluded that the trivial risks associated with vaccine are massively overshadowed by the public health benefit of having as much of the population vaccinated against COVID-19 as possible. We don't consider it "mass psychosis." We consider it doing what's right for humanity.

Plus, any doctor who willingly puts their patients' health at risk while they hum and haw over their own 'research' in direct contrast to the world's scientific consensus, sucks ass.

I'll put the people who developed this medicine and the peeps over in Health Canada over this super-smart doctor any day.

[scandy89]

This is where I believe you are wrong. All of us who have been vaccinated have taken the risks into consideration before doing so and we've concluded that the trivial risks associated with vaccine are massively overshadowed by the public health benefit of having as much of the population vaccinated against COVID-19 as possible. We don't consider it "mass psychosis." We consider it doing what's right for humanity.

Hey if you did take the risks into consideration and look into it for yourself that’s awesome and I applaud yours and anyone else’s decision. But I feel you might be in the minority.

I ask real basic questions to vaccinated friends and they have no clue what im talking about. I’ve brought up the ineffectiveness against delta and they still think they’re completely immune and run around acting like it. And that’s the harm in the narratives being pushed by mainstream media and social media. It encourages ignorance. And I blame right wing news just as much for pushing the other side without encouraging people look into it.

And in terms of doing what’s right for humanity I guess that gets into much more of a philosophical discussion of does a focus on the greater good, or a focus on the individual create the best society, the most amount of good, and the most cooperation when needed.

[The AD]

And in terms of doing what’s right for humanity I guess that gets into much more of a philosophical discussion

In this case, no, it's a question of reducing deaths and hospitalizations.

[scandy89]

Plus, any doctor who willingly puts their patients' health at risk while they hum and haw over their own 'research' in direct contrast to the world's scientific consensus, sucks ass.

I'll put the people who developed this medicine and the peeps over in Health Canada over this super-smart doctor any day.

Oh man I really don’t want to get into this but the people who developed the medicine, if by that you mean the companies, are the last people I’d trust. Like Pfizer who paid the largest criminal fine in US history at the time? Only
to be beat by another pharma company GSK a few years later? Or Merck selling and falsely advertising vioxx while they knew it was killing 10s of thousands of people potentially into the 100k’s?

Man I used to get called a lefty for hating big pharma, how the turns have tabled.

[scandy89]

In this case, no, it's a question of reducing deaths and hospitalizations.

Eh I think it still applies, what’s more effective, Hoping for top down control and force to do it? Or bottom up cooperation from the individuals. I think the reason you see so much resistance is how much it’s being forced on people. A good half the population doesn’t respond well to that.

[DougW]

What is the option? Its either vax or infection, that is becoming apparent. I'm almost at the point that everyone without a vax passport having to be infected by force and stay at home. Fight it off old school like 1830s at home using your YouTube knowledge.

[The AD]

Eh I think it still applies, what’s more effective, Hoping for top down control and force to do it? Or bottom up cooperation from the individuals. I think the reason you see so much resistance is how much it’s being forced on people. A good half the population doesn’t respond well to that.

Well, at least here in the U.S. the bottom up approach was tried for many months, and ultimately that failed to produce the desired results.

[paulster2626]

Oh man I really don’t want to get into this but the people who developed the medicine, if by that you mean the companies, are the last people I’d trust. Like Pfizer who paid the largest criminal fine in US history at the time? Only
to be beat by another pharma company GSK a few years later? Or Merck selling and falsely advertising vioxx while they knew it was killing 10s of thousands of people potentially into the 100k’s?

Man I used to get called a lefty for hating big pharma, how the turns have tabled.

"BIG PHARMA" - we got one!

You totally have a point. Vaccines must be unsafe. Good for you for being smarter than the rest! Enjoy your natural immunity, and good luck.

[scandy89]

Well, at least here in the U.S. the bottom up approach was tried for many months, and ultimately that failed to produce the desired results.

Eh I think it was the instant politicization of it. Last year the left were saying they wouldn’t trust a vaccine rushed to market by Trump, then now it’s obviously swapped. I think that had the same effect, one side pushing and shaming the other right off the bat. I never heard a “hey you should talk your doctor to see if this makes sense for you” approach from either side

[scandy89]

"BIG PHARMA" - we got one!

You totally have a point. Vaccines must be unsafe. Good for you for being smarter than the rest! Enjoy your natural immunity, and good luck.

natural immunity is a conspiracy invented by trump

[paulster2626]

Eh I think it was the instant politicization of it. Last year the left were saying they wouldn’t trust a vaccine rushed to market by Trump, then now it’s obviously swapped. I think that had the same effect, one side pushing and shaming the other right off the bat. I never heard a “hey you should talk your doctor to see if this makes sense for you” approach from either side

I don't recall a single American I know saying that.

Fauci, CNN, all that shit was always saying talk to your doctor. I heard that ad nauseum. Of course, I don't have facebook and my youtube algorithms are all about baseball and lawn maintenance.

Please take your polyass bullshit to the polyass area.

[XXX-er]

Eh I think it still applies, what’s the most effective method

misuse of the word eh ^^

its suposed to go at the back

obviously not a Canadian eh

[k2skier112]

I’ve brought up the ineffectiveness against delta..... (absolutely verifiable false statement) and they still think they’re completely immune and run around acting like it.... (if so, they're ignorant, but it fits your narrative) And that’s the harm in the narratives being pushed by mainstream media and social media. It encourages ignorance.

Your narrative, the antivax crowd, is what is encouraging ignorance

[The AD]

I don't recall a single American I know saying that.

That bit was fair, because both Biden and Harris--while running against Trump last year--said (in effect) "Trump has been completely untrustworthy on everything related to Covid, so are you going to listen to him when he says take the vaccine? Instead, listen to the experts like Fauci." So there's nuance there, but scandy89 is correct about the politicization.

[Gcooker]

What does any of this shit have to do with the border reopening?
Scandy… I assumed you’re American… do you even want to come to Canada?


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[scandy89]

Your narrative, the antivax crowd, is what is encouraging ignorance

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ays/ar-AANeON9

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm


But it’s cool, just keep running around like you’re bulletproof. This is the issue, the people I bring this to have way too much blind faith, thinking it’s sims conspiracy theory that they can still catch it.

[k2skier112]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ays/ar-AANeON9

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm


But it’s cool, just keep running around like you’re bulletproof. This is the issue, the people I bring this to have way too much blind faith, thinking it’s sims conspiracy theory that they can still catch it.

You ignorant fucking cunt!!!!! I never said I was bullet proof!!! Reading comprehension much, dipshit...

Try reading, then think about if for a few minutes, then post.
One more time for the stoopids like you; "and they still think they’re completely immune and run around acting like it".... (if so, they're ignorant, but it fits your narrative)

[skaredshtles]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ays/ar-AANeON9

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm


But it’s cool, just keep running around like you’re bulletproof. This is the issue, the people I bring this to have way too much blind faith, thinking it’s sims conspiracy theory that they can still catch it.

[Thaleia]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ays/ar-AANeON9

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm


But it’s cool, just keep running around like you’re bulletproof. This is the issue, the people I bring this to have way too much blind faith, thinking it’s sims conspiracy theory that they can still catch it.

No vaccinated people I know are running around thinking they're bulletproof. If that's what you're seeing with your peers, understand you've surrounded yourself with idiots.

Edit thanks k2 didn't see your reply.

[scandy89]

You ignorant fucking cunt!!!!! I never said I was bullet proof!!! Reading comprehension much, dipshit...

Try reading, then think about if for a few minutes, then post.
One more time for the stoopids like you; "and they still think they’re completely immune and run around acting like it".... (if so, they're ignorant, but it fits your narrative)

Haha calm down buddy. You said The ineffectiveness against delta was an “absolutely verifiable false statement” that’s the thinking of the “running around like they’re bulletproof crowd”

[teamdirt]

Time for the resident dirtbag with 5 tv channels and living with 5+ roomies, not to mention freshly off government handouts to restart name-calling and provide us with his advanced opinions...lol sub 14K posts

[k2skier112]

Haha calm down buddy. You said The ineffectiveness against delta was an “absolutely verifiable false statement” that’s the thinking of the “running around like they’re bulletproof crowd”

My god your a piece of fucking shit
Just shut your ignorant mouth

[teamdirt]

My god your a piece of fucking shit
Just shut your ignorant mouth

you should take a break from the internet....just saying...might help your mental health....