Canada Closed until US Gets Covid 19 Under Control

[Shorty_J]

True colors?

You called us stupid, then followed up with arguably the dumbest statement/question in all 111 pages of this thread which showed a clear lack of understanding of the basic principle of how viruses spread through a population.

But yes, keep interpreting scientific data and its effects on public health policy for the rest of us.

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Lol... you think my statement was the dumbest in this thread... that's rich.

You said we should let a virus run through the population. Yeah true colors.

Edit: I actually also said I'm stupid in regards to heath measures in pandemic and that's why I listen to experts. You don't even know you're stupid and that's dangerous.

[oldnew_guy]

“ Don't get why its hard to just have a nuanced conversation. Everything being so black and white seems very strange for a situation that is absolutly anything but.”

You can’t claim to be interested in a nuanced conversation when your default counter to everyone here is that we are scared.

[gavinski91]

That's the way it sounds. Read several articles on this and almost all of them mentioned "vaccinated Canadian travelers" specifically. A few mentioned uncertainty on other international travelers. One from Forbes seemed to indicate all travelers but I think it was just a bad copypasta/conflating things. Seems there will be an announcement this week but nothing concrete yet.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/pcr...nada-1.6347334

https://www.travelmarketreport.com/R...lly-Vaccinated

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzanne...ted-travelers/

Ignoring all the other ranting in this thread, I'm wondering what they mean by "Canadians" with this new rule. Is it Canadian residents? Or is it everyone who falls into the "right to enter Canada" category that now appears with the recent update to the ArriveCan app (which includes Canadian citizens living abroad)?

I'm a dual citizen, so it would be nice if I didn't have to get a PCR test just to go up to visit family for half a day. At least this is a step in the right direction.

[jono]

Ignoring all the other ranting in this thread, I'm wondering what they mean by "Canadians" with this new rule. Is it Canadian residents? Or is it everyone who falls into the "right to enter Canada" category that now appears with the recent update to the ArriveCan app (which includes Canadian citizens living abroad)?

I'm a dual citizen, so it would be nice if I didn't have to get a PCR test just to go up to visit family for half a day. At least this is a step in the right direction.

It does seem like there's a subtle bent toward saving Canadians from paying OOP for a test outside Canada. Hopefully it's more than that but the gist I got was they'll say more this week.

[ex-powderbroker]

Quebec is making another announcement today, it sounds like the passport is going to be at the discretion of big boxes now. Weed and liquor will no longer require it. Gyms, small businesses, etc, as they were.

[caderader]

"Reuters) - Canada will ease entry for fully vaccinated international travelers starting on Feb. 28 as COVID-19 cases decline, allowing a rapid antigen test for travelers instead of a molecular one, officials said on Tuesday.

The new measures, which include dropping compulsory testing on entry, were announced by federal government ministers at a briefing. Canada will also drop coronavirus testing requirements for fully vaccinated Canadians who make short trips - less than 72 hours"

Six days to late for it to effect me. Oh well.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ce-2022-02-15/

[toast2266]

Excellent. That's great news.

[thecadgod]

Keyboard warriors keep on keeping on.

Meanwhile starting 2/28 the PCR test requirement is getting dropped!!!! Hopefully they do away with the random tests too.

[jono]

I was thinking "dropping compulsory testing on entry" meant no more random tests, no?

[Ted Striker]

Ignoring all the other ranting in this thread, I'm wondering what they mean by "Canadians" with this new rule. Is it Canadian residents? Or is it everyone who falls into the "right to enter Canada" category that now appears with the recent update to the ArriveCan app (which includes Canadian citizens living abroad)?

I'm a dual citizen, so it would be nice if I didn't have to get a PCR test just to go up to visit family for half a day. At least this is a step in the right direction.

So far, it has meant residents. My brother and sister-in-law are both dual citizens living in the states, have crossed twice recently, and were treated as visitors, i.e. vax requirement/test/app and "random" on the spot test that wasn't random.

[shafty85]

^ In what way was it not random?

[gavinski91]

So far, it has meant residents. My brother and sister-in-law are both dual citizens living in the states, have crossed twice recently, and were treated as visitors, i.e. vax requirement/test/app and "random" on the spot test that wasn't random.

Yeah I crossed last week and had to have PCR test results. I went through the Lynden crossing though, which doesn't have on the spot testing. My wife got a test kit, I didn't.

Sounds like the new rule will apply to everyone crossing into Canada though (just need an antigen test now), and back to the 72-hour rule for Canadian residents. A welcome change for sure.

EDIT: Looks like Reuters is the only one reporting that the 72-hour rule is coming back. Other outlets are saying that it "could be reinstated ... if the situation warrants".

^ In what way was it not random?

They called them random tests, but at some crossings they administer them to everyone who crosses (and at other crossings without test facilities on-site, they give ~50% of travelers a take-home test kit).

[shafty85]

They called them random tests, but at some crossings they administer them to everyone who crosses (and at other crossings without test facilities on-site, they give ~50% of travelers a take-home test kit).

Interesting. Odd to do it to everyone who crosses in one location and then require it to be done at home, which relies on someone actually doing it (and doing it correctly), when entering at others. I wonder what the reasoning is for that? I would assume it is a logistical thing?

[gavinski91]

Interesting. Odd to do it to everyone who crosses in one location and then require it to be done at home, which relies on someone actually doing it (and doing it correctly), when entering at others. I wonder what the reasoning is for that? I would assume it is a logistical thing?

I think it's logistical. At least in our area, the high-traffic border crossings have temporary testing facilities set up, and the low-traffic ones are giving out kits.
The at-home test kits required registering online and doing it over video chat with a "specialist" (college kid working part-time from who-knows-where). But plenty of folks were just tossing the kits as soon as they got home.

[thecadgod]

I was thinking "dropping compulsory testing on entry" meant no more random tests, no?

I hope so.

[Gcooker]

Keep the border shut, I cat skied Baldface with 6 Americans, most loud mouthed, arrogant, Instagram influencing Jerry’s with too much money and too little skill I’ve EVER been around. Stay in your own country and argue poliass there.

Between the yanks posting poliass in this thread and the 6 in the cat I was in… your entire country can stay home.

(All sarcasm for those that still have a sense of humour, I miss my American brothers and can’t wait for this border to be wide open)


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[leroy jenkins]

I'll post some more detailed replies to posts in a bit, but it honestly sounds like the thing we are (almost?) all in agreement about is that we want the end of restrictions lockdowns passports etc. I'm down with that. I think we should get our way.

[yeahman]

I'll post some more detailed replies to posts in a bit.

How about you take it to the covid thread(s). This thread is for useful information re border crossing.

[DougW]

Somewhere in the interchange someone made a statement the suicides went up. That is what you would guess but the opposite happened . Have seen that a couple of times. Yes OD deaths are up though that could be partially do to gov't money?

[ex-powderbroker]

that same person also made a reference to speeding tickets being up. well, from my observations, cops have been on vacation since covid started. at the same time, pedestrian deaths are up due to lack of enforcement and more drivers since no one is on mass transit. even if it was true, would enforcement of the laws be a bad thing when those laws protect innocent people?

i wonder if you could apply the same logic to masks, vaccines, capacity limitations, and border crossings. curious.

[DougW]

I also thought the number of single vehicle accidents was up

from NYT
The United States is enduring its most severe increase in traffic deaths since the 1940s.

It is a sharp change from the recent norm, too. Deaths from vehicle crashes have generally been falling since the late 1960s, thanks to vehicle improvements, lower speed limits and declines in drunken driving, among other factors. By 2019, the annual death rate from crashes was near its lowest level since cars became a mass item in the 1920s.

But then came the Covid-19 pandemic.

Crashes — and deaths — began surging in the summer of 2020, surprising traffic experts who had hoped that relatively empty roads would cause accidents to decline. Instead, an increase in aggressive driving more than made up for the decline in driving. And crashes continued to increase when people returned to the roads, later in the pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/b...-pandemic.html

[The AD]

Pandemic is over.

What makes you say that?

[Kootenai]

Things are changing, now it looks like you can take a home Antigen test that has telehealth support. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...-response.html

[Harry]

Ever consider that the virus burns through a population, but then hits a wall as it runs out of viable hosts, masks and mandates be damned?

We aren't here to argue over Virology 101 with you, but it is comical that you're out here calling us the stupid ones.

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[paulster2626]

Taking a rapid antigen test at home is not sufficient to meet the pre-entry requirement – it must be authorized by the country in which it was purchased and must be administered by a laboratory, healthcare entity or telehealth service

Is this even an improvement?