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  1. #76
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    OK Dex, you sound pretty convincing that you won't like the trade-offs of rocker, flat camber, taper, etc.

    I still recommend demo-ing a Bodacious before buying an expensive pair...or just buy an old beater pair at a low enough price that you can resell it later at a net loss that is similar to the price to demo.

    My last attempt:
    Did you already demo an RC112? Because that shape is a lot like an XXL, except with tip rocker. And did you already demo a Salomon El Dictator? Because that shape is a lot like an XXL, except with flat camber. If both of those small design tweaks to an XXL feel worthless to you on the hill, then yeah, maybe you should just give up on rocker, flat camber, taper, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki View Post
    ...am most often on a pair of (old) Scott park skis as my default 'other' ski (they are just pretty easy to ski if I'm lazy but also have decent performance)...
    Are you saying your daily driver is this park ski, and you don't even focus on park skiing?
    If yes, then there's gotta be a better daily driver for you. Heck, even if you still want old-style traditional charging power, you could upgrade your daily driver from that park ski to a "downsized" easier old narrow charger, like a short 183cm m103 or 186cm LegendPro. (I remember once thinking that both a 187 XXL and 194 XXL together would be a pretty damn good complete quiver in real life, even though it sounds like stupid overlap on paper.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin I View Post
    My last attempt:
    Did you already demo an RC112? Because that shape is a lot like an XXL, except with tip rocker. And did you already demo a Salomon El Dictator? Because that shape is a lot like an XXL, except with flat camber. If both of those small design tweaks to an XXL feel worthless to you on the hill, then yeah, maybe you should just give up on rocker, flat camber, taper, etc.
    No, I haven't in any way tried (aside from this thread) to replace my skis, and haven't demoed--just randomly taken a few runs on other people's skis (OK, thinking about it the DPS's were a demo because DPS showed up at the hill and it had snowed so I figured why not, but that was the only official demo). I am definitely open to other ski designs (that's why I posted), I'm just asking what it is that I haven't figured out (which skis have some of the new design elements that I would like). I think part of it is that I truly love the way the XXL's ski (when they're in their element--not on hard groomers or ice bumps), and they do seem to match me well, so in terms of a replacement there may not be many candidate skis.



    Are you saying your daily driver is this park ski, and you don't even focus on park skiing?
    If yes, then there's gotta be a better daily driver for you. Heck, even if you still want old-style traditional charging power, you could upgrade your daily driver from that park ski to a "downsized" easier old narrow charger, like a short 183cm m103 or 186cm LegendPro. (I remember once thinking that both a 187 XXL and 194 XXL together would be a pretty damn good complete quiver in real life, even though it sounds like stupid overlap on paper.)

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    Didn't want to make things too long, but I bought that ski as a bump ski (I was a bump skier once upon a time and still like them when springy or other soft snow) that would be a little more versatile, which it is. But daily driver may be misleading--they're my 'I don't give a shit' skis for days when I just need something utilitarian (I coach so many of my days involve more carrying shit around the hill and slipping courses--which these are great for--than actual skiing). But they're also my random, any day/every day ski if I'm going to mix things up with groomers, bumps, trees (in other words not just groomer/race course stuff, and not a real powder day).

    But everyone immediately went with pow ski recs so now that's all I'm thinking about. Thinking more about it, I have race skis covered and maybe a new ski for 'average' days shouldn't be the priority since the normal ski area day is not what really gets me fired up (definitely not looking to wind up buying two pairs of skis as a result of this thread).
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    I think you want Dynastar M-Pro 105, Head Monster 108s or Stockli Stormrider Pro 115s if you can find them.

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    Oh, Stockli...what's the story w those Stormriders? They're not way too stiff, are they?
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    Moment Commander118.
    More modern shape, but w/ 2 titanal sheets and a 32.5 radius(194) might have old school ish feel you prefer?

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    Yeah, that one sounds promising as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki View Post
    Oh, Stockli...what's the story w those Stormriders? They're not way too stiff, are they?
    I had the 2011 model (105 under foot) in both 178 and 190. The 190 was quite a bit stiffer than the 178 but the tips on both were not too stiff, they made a 201 in this model btw. This from a review I found on the 115 pro fwiw: "By taking some stiffness out of the tip and tail while adding rigidity underfoot, the Stormrider Pro 115 is hands down the most maneuverable, damp, and fun powder ski weíve ever had the opportunity to test."

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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrr View Post
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    Electric touring skis for the up


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    Utah?
    Yeah, Utah. It's wedged in between Wyoming and Nevada. You've seen pictures of it, right?

    So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....


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    If you ever want to stop by as you head North and grab my Blizzard Bonafides to get a feel for the trad camber under foot and the riser in the front/tail feel free. Bought em last year as a tweener ski between my big out west sjiks ( JJs) and my skiing on the east coast with my son park skis. They were used demos so still have the demo plates on them

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    Ah, may take you up on that.
    Where you skiing w kid these days (aside from CT's bumps)? Am sure you remember that spring day trip to Kmart years ago when my older girl was pretty small (she's 18 and shorter than I am by about an inch now--skis better than I ever did). We should get some skiing in again and I can give those skis a try.
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    Likely get a five pack to Mohawk for the sheer convenience and we renewed our Epic passes to capture the credits from last year ( free money really, as we used them up until the day Vail resorts shut down. We were the last happy plane out of Eagle airport) so plan on trying to go as many weekends as possible, wtf else we gonna do.
    Hit Sunapee, Crothched, wildcat, let the wife revisit her youth race days @ Attitash. She still has a ton of family up there. Hit the VT options on less crowded weekends.

    thats the plan at least.

    Need to buy a beater ski wagon to make it happen. too many miles for the lease on the Atlas, and the 02 Jag stays in the garage most of the winter. Be fun to get some turns with you again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki View Post
    (definitely not looking to wind up buying two pairs of skis as a result of this thread).
    Then you probably shouldn't have posted here, because the N+1 guys earlier are clearly wrong: you need at least N+2.

    Race-ski tech has improved a lot in the past decade or two, and if you haven't upgraded your race skis in that long, you probably should either: (a) not ski on new gear; or (b) budget to buy some. I say this having upgraded from a pair of 23m-era GS skis to a pair of current-gen women's FIS skis. I'm blindly assuming there have been reasonable updates on the slalom side, as well, but I won't find that out until I can get on a pair of modern FIS slalom skis. The GS boards obviously require a lot of commitment and proper technique, but when you get it right...FKNA.

    On the "average-day" front, I picked up a pair of Atomic X9 WBs last year. They ski a lot like a detuned race ski, but with a little more width that is nice to have in chop or other less-firm, 3D conditions. They are a little less friendly in terms of radius modulation than some, but I've been happy with them as a good option when it's too firm for pow skis to be fun and too crowded for GS skis. One of the other coaches I work with has a Vantage 97 that he describes in a way that might also appeal to you: good on firm snow, and a lot of work in soft snow (compared to the Bent Chet), but fun as long as you're willing to put the effort in.

    Take that with a grain of salt, though; while I've got a race background, and I've come to prefer softer all-mountain skis because my body can't drive a real charger all day. I should probably really admit that and list my stiff Lhasas in Gear Swap, come to think of it.

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    I am chiming in here to post an N+1 view thatís maybe a bit different, so take it for what itís worth.

    I turn over gear a lot, and Iím many times looking for an upgrade to a ski I already like. Stiffer, different radius, whatever. Most of the time I come away disappointed because I compare to a ski that Iím already familiar with and Iím not skiing the new ski with an open mind.

    I usually end up happier when I get a ski thatís 180 different than what I have. I say, instead of going for the. XXL replacement go for a 196 Renegade, or a Bentchetler 120 or something else totally different. Take those out on specific days knowing youíll be on the Legends a bunch regardless and not worry about a 90% overlap between you new skis.

    I find I am a better skier when I go back and forth between styles of skis cause it forces my body to be good at adapting (though I never raced and my technique is shitty regardless) and I have more fun.

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    knowing how you ski & your penchant for old school race boards, the choice is clear: DYNAMIC
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    Maybe I'm just the cheapskate of the boards, but I'd go for a gently used pair.

    You can usually tell if there are issues, and with some patience you can get bindings + skis for more than 60% off even just a couple years old. If you're out west there's probably a thriving market on KSL/Craigs/fb marketplace, otherwise ski swaps or ebay.


    I just picked up a pair of 2020 super 7s 188 with demo bindings for when out of town friends visit on deep days. They're in great condition and cost me $350 + $30 for a full tune to make them ski like new.


    The cool part about getting skis second hand, is that if you don't like them, you can probably flip them for almost the same price you bought them at. Think of it as demoing for free, just with a little more work

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    I got myself a new (used but new to me) monoski on ebay this year, cracking fun, bit different, but still facing the right way, do recommend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki View Post
    Ah, may take you up on that.
    Where you skiing w kid these days (aside from CT's bumps)? Am sure you remember that spring day trip to Kmart years ago when my older girl was pretty small (she's 18 and shorter than I am by about an inch now--skis better than I ever did). We should get some skiing in again and I can give those skis a try.
    Whatís her number and can we see her tits?


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    I'm excited to hear what Dexter eventually picks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki View Post
    I know, silly question to ask this crowd, but given that I don't even let myself think about the money I spend on skiing otherwise...anyway, I haven't bought skis for myself in awhile but was looking at this year's buyer's guide and was wondering if...


    -Stop wondering , just do it.-



    I've never spent a full day skiing any of those new skis, so maybe I'm not giving them enough of a chance...



    - I agree -



    Other thing is that I am just not a fan of reverse camber, early rise, etc.

    -Maybe cause youíre just stubborn? Ask me how I know.-


    Again, though, maybe I just haven't given non-traditional shapes/sidecuts enough of a chance.


    -See above.-
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    I am slightly tempted to just buy a new pair (whatever the best candidate is) and see how it goes (how dumb would that be?).
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    Please treat yourself and pull the trigger.

    I consider myself from a similar skiing background as you - had my idea of what I liked and thought about new designs, kept and still keep my stash of old go to planks..

    I finally bought a new pair of skis last year ; First in 25+ years I think? Mind blowingly intuitive and more stable doing everything than I ever imagined. Why did I wait so long? Doesnít matter what I bought... just do it

    Do it. Pick a pair and pull the trigger. I hope Iíll get to take a lap with you this winter, cause Iíll say:

    ď I told you so ď


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