Whistler/Vail North 2020/2021

[Maximus Farcisimus]

Dropping in to 800m of pow.




Then a few hrs later-brown pow




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[nortonwhis]

Dropping in to 800m of pow.




Then a few hrs later-brown pow

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Thanks for the stoke. This thread sucks right now!
I think I saw these two tracks yesterday from Rohr?
Th only snap I got from two good days out. Scuzz was hanging around a lot on Sunday unfortunately and yesterday was ok but not great conditions. Still great to be in the sun!

[Judo Chop!]

so why is it assumed that localism is a bad thing?
true localism is about keeping things in check. It's about a community of people trying to keep things tight for those who are respectful, and let people who aren't know that they should be.
Being a local has a bit to do with where you were born or live, but mostly it's about time spent doing and being; and whether that time made a contribution to the local community around a thing. It's about understanding and respecting the history and the established pecking order and habits, albeit sometimes with a firm nudge the yet uninitiated. Without localism, or at least what it should be, shit goes unchecked and it all falls apart if everyone does what they want without consideration or situational awareness because "nobody owns the ocean/mountains man!". I've seen it in a few sports.
Sure, some "locals" do some shit that crosses the line, and unfortunately that becomes misrepresentative of 'localism'. Be respectful and you won't experience that. But also, pay attention to who is crying foul. It's often someone taking a stand against something they just don't understand because getting offended is easy. And just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right.

Re: Lee. I ain't got no dog in this fight. but sitting here with popcorn I'd say if you want to get through it, perhaps instead of treating it like a trial where you need to defend yourself on technical specifics, realize that you need to appeal to humans and their emotions and thoughts about you. I mean.. I guess it depends on what you care about clearing your name for though; legal charges or the court of the community.

[LeeLau]

Re: Lee. I ain't got no dog in this fight. but sitting here with popcorn I'd say if you want to get through it, perhaps instead of treating it like a trial where you need to defend yourself on technical specifics, realize that you need to appeal to humans and their emotions and thoughts about you. I mean.. I guess it depends on what you care about clearing your name for though; legal charges or the court of the community.

Judo - I thought about turning the other cheek and ignoring it. But the way Sylvie put it out on social media the mob got involved. Whether or not I liked it this became a public trial. And sure Sylvie accused me but the pitchforks then dragged in my wife; with the mob being here on TGR and on Sylvie's facebook posts.

There's a very simple way to establish my innocence in this public trial and that's for my offer to have poo samples tested. I'm also fully aware that Sylvie supporters and Lee haters will not believe a word I say no matter the outcome and I accept that as I cannot change people's opinions. Likewise there are my friends who believe me without my need to offer to submit to a (degrading) poo sample. I'm also aware of the "methinks thou doth protest too much" perception (ie why am I so vehement about this). But I didn't do this. I can prove it. So let me prove it.

[paulster2626]

so why is it assumed that localism is a bad thing?
true localism is about keeping things in check. It's about a community of people trying to keep things tight for those who are respectful, and let people who aren't know that they should be.
Being a local has a bit to do with where you were born or live, but mostly it's about time spent doing and being; and whether that time made a contribution to the local community around a thing. It's about understanding and respecting the history and the established pecking order and habits, albeit sometimes with a firm nudge the yet uninitiated. Without localism, or at least what it should be, shit goes unchecked and it all falls apart if everyone does what they want without consideration or situational awareness because "nobody owns the ocean/mountains man!". I've seen it in a few sports.
Sure, some "locals" do some shit that crosses the line, and unfortunately that becomes misrepresentative of 'localism'. Be respectful and you won't experience that. But also, pay attention to who is crying foul. It's often someone taking a stand against something they just don't understand because getting offended is easy. And just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right.

Re: Lee. I ain't got no dog in this fight. but sitting here with popcorn I'd say if you want to get through it, perhaps instead of treating it like a trial where you need to defend yourself on technical specifics, realize that you need to appeal to humans and their emotions and thoughts about you. I mean.. I guess it depends on what you care about clearing your name for though; legal charges or the court of the community.

There's a difference between "hey around here we do things like this" and "I don't want anyone else coming here." The first one is great and promotes respect for culture and all that stuff, the second just makes everyone angry with each other.

I think the poo-accuser should have to also provide a sample. This looks like a classic frame-up smear campaign! Had no idea there was such drama in the corridor, puregravity would get to the bottom of this in an hour where is he?

[teamdirt]

Who’s to say the accuser didn’t get a little to close to someones BF or husband in the community, shaft someone money or have an unresolved dispute. The perpetrator simply was driving by and saw her car and seized the opportunity. The poo smear is retribution for something bigger then skiing over top of someone which leaves doubt Lee is the perpetrator.

[shirk]

Who’s to say the accuser didn’t get a little to close to someones BF or husband in the community, shaft someone money or have an unresolved dispute.

Who? Literally everyone in the S2S who's ever met the accuser would say the accuser has never done the above.

[raypruit]

Dropping in to 800m of pow.





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nice, slalok starting to look filled in too

[pureantigravity]

Please remind me not to sign up for a weekend at the Duffy Ski Couples Retreat and Renewal Center. Quotes below are from the memoir of one of the retreat and renewal centers recent visitors. This whole affair also brings back fond memories. If I might share first ...

In my teen years, we went swimming one night in a very wealthy bugger's estate pool. I mean rich as in Tesla Founder rich. We sneaked onto the massive property with a lavish pool out of sight of the main house as it was down a long backdrop on the property. We got into our birthday bathing suits and then splashed about for half an hour. Then, at precisely 1:31 AM, one of my friends dumped a big long one in the pool. We watched in amazement at that long Oh-Henry colored manatee-sized feces relaxing leisurely -- as if it had been finally set free from the bowels of a hot dog and pizza aficionado.

Rumour has it that the log jammed the pools filter pump mechanism, causing an electrical spike that fused the pool clock hand and permanently stopped it from running after 1:31 AM every night.

That poop was trespassing and vandalism of sorts. However, as per the couple's memoir, "all 4 door handles, windshield wiper, gas cap and final poop left on windshield", this sounds like a form of retaliation. So ... we are looking for someone that has a complex palate in situational-justice and/or creative retribution terms, that also has a good eye for not missing any fine details.

Some research is in order! Someone please go out and apply some moist sticky loosely held together mud logs carefully to your vehicle: all 4 door handles, windshield wipers, gas cap and leave some on the windshield. Make sure not to get the mud on your own hands. How long did it take you? Whoever the smearer is, they took a chance that the activities required would not be seen by someone else returning to their vehicle. Perhaps they took their chances, perhaps they knew where the vehicle's owners were and how much time they had.


>> "Has this happened to anyone else on the Duffy?"

I can't recall ever hearing of this in the entire Sea To Sky, never mind Duffy. But bears have been known to wreck cars trying to get inside. No poop news as far as I remember.

[pureantigravity]

A quick question though for Lee about something someone said in their memoir from last Friday's events at the Duffy Ski Couples Retreat and Renewal Center:

>> "We said Hi but they didn't recognize us as they were busy on their phone. We de-skinned in separate areas. They skied down first and chose the left 'tree lane' and we waited then went down the right tree lane where there were no tracks. We spaced out and didn't ski over the top of anybody. As each of us skied down the slope this couple appeared in the trees partway down like they had traversed over from one lane to the next. Impossible for us to know this as their tracks went left and then all of a sudden"


You were all there together at some point? Did you talk with the other couple before hitting the proverbial 'send' button? Did you discuss the plans of where you were going to ski?

Maybe you did and it just wasn't mentioned. It isn't easy to see down a backcountry ski zone. The bowling ball effect makes it nearly impossible sometimes to see what is below on some runs, and with trees, glare, terrain changes, need for constant attention, shadows and [insert other factors here]. That 'Hi' moment seems like a prime opportunity to create good vibes and practice defensive communication.

Was there any communication about what each party was going to do? How do other people ensure that others they meet on the skin up or along en-route don't conflict with one's own plans?

[eldereldo]

That isn't what you posted at all, not even close.

"Yeh why not, apparently a lot of the people testing positive for Covid in Whistler are recent arrivals from ON and QU fleeing their lockdowns, surprising I know that the people who are traveling, are the ones who are infected. Come on out and help us close down."

Seems pretty close to me, but if you think it isn’t, I apologize for not being clearer about a rumor.

[teamdirt]

Who? Literally everyone in the S2S who's ever met the accuser would say the accuser has never done the above.

The world can be a dark place behind closed doors....the cover of the book doesn’t always tell the story...

I don’t know her and I don’t know LL either but reality is we don’t know the real story....anything is possible and nothing should be discluded....

[bad dancer]

Just going to leave this here.
Someone has to have this on tape !

https://images.drivebc.ca/bchighwayc...l/www/182.html

[nickel]

Just going to leave this here.
Someone has to have this on tape !

https://images.drivebc.ca/bchighwayc...l/www/182.html

A link to a camera that hasn't been working in months?

[gimpy]

Soooo..... did you guys start in one lane and then traverse to the other lee? that part of the story doesn’t add up as I would think there would be understanding if they started in a different lane and ended up on top of you.

[shafty85]

Dickheads are rare here. Even the ones online who seem abrasive are probably awesome people in real life.

This, and similar comments, are something that I read quite often on this board and strongly disagree with. Who you are online is part of who you are. Not necessarily the whole picture, but if you're an asshole/douche/bully/etc online, that's part of who you are and shows how you treat people in certain aspects of life. People seem to think that online is not 'real life' and yet people have ended their lives because of how they were treated online. Treat people with respect and how you would treat them if you were in the same room as them having the same discussion.

[LeeLau]

Soooo..... did you guys start in one lane and then traverse to the other lee? that part of the story doesn’t add up as I would think there would be understanding if they started in a different lane and ended up on top of you.

It was a broad ridge with decent lines of sights down trees on a cold clear day. Not hallways but open lanes. They had passed us and I heard them continuing down the ridge. Thinking they continued I cut over to some trees to transition. The trees blocked my view of them at that point but I knew they were uphill as they had distance. We started down fall line then diagonalled into another lane without traversing. It's more like a soft left turn then a harder right then repeat, if you know what I mean. It was just the way the fall-line and snow set you up. we leapfrogged each other down slope with me stopping above a tree and Shar below.

That's when I saw the male in the group skiing above me. He saw me, we made eye contact and he kept gunning. I yelled to Shar to stay put, that there were people skiing above us and to freeze and not move. That's when I saw the other two people (the two females above me). They too kept going.

Learning point for me and perhaps a useful post generally for ski-touring. I don't like to chat to other groups on the skintrack other than to wave my poles to say hi. Shar is more social. Next time I'll ask where they're skiing so as to ensure that we're not on top of each other. Because we were the only two groups out on such a broad ridge with good signtlines I assumed there wouldn't be conflict. That was a poor assumption.

I've always assumed that you should always try to look downslope and make sure its clear before dropping in. That's also a poor assumption on my part as there can always be poor sightlines. I can't imagine that they deliberately dropped in on us knowing we were there so must assume there must have a dip or some trees (sparse as they were at treeline) .
Perhaps its to be proactive and protect oneself from groups uphill dropping in by communicating. Lots of poo (pun intended) could have been mitigated if I'd protected myself and Shar better. Always something to learn I suppose

GE snapshot approximated. Blue is us. Red is Sylvie's group. I know they started above us as they passed us and were ahead and above. Don't know where exactly they skied after we intersected but their account was they skied fall-line. After we intersected them we hard traversed as we didn't want to ski on top of them.

[SeatownSlackey]

Edit to delete phone pocket post gibberish

[subtle plague]

Now that pure gravity is on the case the car shitting, steel eating Squamish monster squirrel stands no chance.

[Cocximus]

This, and similar comments, are something that I read quite often on this board and strongly disagree with. Who you are online is part of who you are. Not necessarily the whole picture, but if you're an asshole/douche/bully/etc online, that's part of who you are and shows how you treat people in certain aspects of life. People seem to think that online is not 'real life' and yet people have ended their lives because of how they were treated online. Treat people with respect and how you would treat them if you were in the same room as them having the same discussion.

Dunno, if I am a douche in Gta, does it mean I am a douche IRL? This isn't exactly real life but it isn't a game either.

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[Maximus Farcisimus]

Now that pure gravity is on the case the car shitting, steel eating Squamish monster squirrel stands no chance.

LOL



Snow sucks, views are great
Go skiing.
Ya could be stuck in a lockdown, like the majority in this country.




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[gramboh]

Anyone hearing this chatter about Whistler Heli trying to get exclusive mechanized rights (shut out sledders) to Ipsoot, Phelix Creek, Soo valley, Snowspider, Twin One, Birkenhead etc?

Edit: doesn’t Whistler heli already have a massive tenure?

[t.odd]

they aren't really 'trying' it was a part of the LRMP process that happened many years ago (process began in 2001), the Province is only getting around to enforcing it now
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/i.../seatosky-lrmp

[eldereldo]

they aren't really 'trying' it was a part of the LRMP process that happened many years ago (process began in 2001), the Province is only getting around to enforcing it now
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/i.../seatosky-lrmp

Yeh, basically it was signed into law last April, which means if they choose to do so, they could start fining people now. It certainly hasn’t made any difference to the number of people sledding up the Soo valley, and they haven’t changed the signs on the access road as it still says to make sure you have registration for your sled, but nothing about a closure.

[Ottime]

LOL



Snow sucks, views are great
Go skiing.
Ya could be stuck in a lockdown, like the majority in this country.




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This. Wish I was skiing.