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  1. #476
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    I wonder if the Trump style of negotiation would ever work.

    Mountain bikers: ALL OF THESE TRAILS ARE GOING TO HAVE EBIKES EVERYWHERE. EBIKES WITH GLORIOUS THROTTLES.

    Hikers/Equestrians get all riled up and fearing the end of their days of any possibility of enjoying outdoor recreation due to evil ebikes.

    Mountain bikers - we want wilderness access. Maybe with Class I ebikes?

    OK OK You can ride your human powered bicycles.... BUT PLEASE JUST NO EBIKES...ANYTHING BUT EBIKES.

    Ok, we will take Wilderness access and promise we don't want ebikes allowed.


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    #trumpebikesinjeans

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  3. #478
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    I always figured Trump was a jeans wearing ebiker. Guy could never hang on the uptrack.

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    Wore my jeans today for a rip. Stormy daniels kind a day in wash n bin BC

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    Grinch sighting in Italy.

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    He's the one on the left.

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    Road blows. Thats for shaved leg grape smugglers. #stravaevanheartsgrapes
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    Actual there is something WWT. No dirt. Very wrong

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  7. #482
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla View Post
    I would say that the Tahoe Flume trail has had more MTB traffic over the decades than maybe any trail system in the US or worldwide? I have ridden that trail many times since the 80's and one thing that stands out is that bikes have not caused deterioration of the trail itself and it is now better than before. Sure there has been maintenance but overall with all the use, Ebikes as well MTB has not damaged or caused permanent harm. So it can be used as a example when others try to say MTB, Ebikes destroy the environment and soil.
    Iím not anti e-bike but that trail is wide, flat and compacted so maybe not the best case study.

  8. #483
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    I’m not anti e-bike but that trail is wide, flat and compacted so maybe not the best case study.
    Well yeah, but still tires rolling over dirt and the Flume trail certainly has had plenty of that. The adjacent trails off the Flume trail has also had plenty of traffic and holding up well and the primary traffic is MTB. I think it is a place to look at and see if years of heavy use as well as weather destroy the terrain to a point where intervention is needed to stop the destruction.

    A little history, the Tahoe Flume was built in the 1800's to transport lumber via a V shaped flume from the Forrest of Tahoe to lumber mills on the East side and then on to Virginia City for the mines. You can imagine the effort to build it and the maintenance of the flume itself. The left over is the trail(narrow road) traversing the East flanks of the Sierras. That trail is a classic for visitors coming to Tahoe to hike or MTB. As far as the MTB part it is a green level ride, long with a distinctive climb to get up to it.

  9. #484
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    The Marlette Flume is trail is really wide and flat, and likely gets more maintenance from USFS than any other trail in the area, so there's that. Also, IME, the overwhelming majority of its users are going fairly slowly and are stopping for often pics. It's not a great representative of trails in general, or even other trails nearby.

    If you think the other trails in the area are holding up well and not getting wider and more blown out, I don't know what to tell you. The TRT, Sunflower, and Chimney Beach are in rough shape right now. Trails need maintenance, regardless of whether the riders are on motor vehicles.

    More traffic means more wear, obviously, and when there is so much traffic and so many irresponsible or incompetent riders that the trail gets rutted and widened to double its original width, obviously there is a mismatch.
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    Sooo scientific, obviously

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    So, what's your alternative? Shut down the rental operations? Shut down the shuttle operations? Ebikes? I rode two days ago TRT from Meadows to Tunnel to Incline Flume and back to Meadows. Except for the fact the trails are bone dry and silty, I thought there were actually better than years ago. A little rain will go a long ways to heal things up. Oh, on pedal bike too. Interestingly, didn't see any ebikes and not that many pedal bikes either but big numbers of group hikers especially on Incline. Church groups?

    Ebikes arn't going to add to the numbers as if there wasn't Ebikes those riders would be pedaling. Going to ride my Ebike today... Someplace in the mountains........

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    P(ussy)bikes couldnt hang today. Maribor is about as hard as they get these dayz. Wet roots r ez now. Wet slushy snow on roots and rocks is eeb town. Had Geordie lower the lsc on my shockas for eeb town. Fresh tracks where its at. Put that in your letters. Last day to get ur terse letter to the manager KarensClick image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    P(ussy)bikes couldnt hang today. Maribor is about as hard as they get these dayz. Wet roots r ez now. Wet slushy snow on roots and rocks is eeb town. Had Geordie lower the lsc on my shockas for eeb town. Fresh tracks where its at. Put that in your letters. Last day to get ur terse letter to the manager KarensClick image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    So Kore!


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    Whatd u do 2day? Nasty case of writers cramp? Letter done?

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