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Thread: New BSL, forward of line now
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10-01-2020, 11:13 AM #1Registered User
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New BSL, forward of line now
Swapped from my bucket sized Panterra 120's to nice and tight Lange XT3 140s. BSL has dropped 5mm. Now that I'm forward of the line a smudge, should I consider remounting or finally swapping from attacks to pivots? (skis are Moment cats, Kartel 108 and Kartel 96s.
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10-01-2020, 11:22 AM #2
Do you honestly think you'll be able to tell the difference in a 2.5mm change in balance point?
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10-01-2020, 11:26 AM #3Registered User
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10-01-2020, 11:30 AM #4Registered User
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Forward of line is what all the Kool kids do anyway
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10-01-2020, 11:33 AM #5
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10-01-2020, 11:43 AM #6Registered User
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10-01-2020, 04:53 PM #7
Don't push "in" or "down" - it will be an exercise in frustration. Put a flathead screwdriver under the tab and twist it to raise it, then set the binding where you want it on the track. There are six sets of lines marking the acceptable limits of forward pressure, you want to be somewhere within the lines (preferably in the middle).
What do you mean by a "whole calibration?" If you want to know for sure if your binding releases reliably at your chosen values, you need to go to a shop with appropriate equipment. Simply re-adjusting the heel position to give you proper forward pressure shouldn't itself change those values, but a new and smoother boot sole (or a significantly shorter BSL) might.
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10-01-2020, 06:02 PM #8
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10-01-2020, 06:16 PM #9Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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10-01-2020, 08:30 PM #10
Switch to the road.
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10-02-2020, 12:08 AM #11Registered User
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I just did remount for a bud who had hit a rock and lost the vertical toe piece in early pow ,he had to walk out & go looking for it in the spring when the snow had melted, before the brush got high
With his blessing I just injected the area with slowset, mounted the toe piece back 1/2" and called er good, left the other ski as is, so they will be unequal, it will be interesting to see if he notices a difference
I doubt itLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-02-2020, 06:32 AM #12
Truth...I have 2 different sized feet and have a pair of boots that are 2 different sizes. I set the mount point between the 2 BSLs so I can switch left and right skis every other season. So the left one is 2.5 forward and right one is 2.5 back and I've never noticed the difference.
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10-03-2020, 04:00 PM #13
PSA--don't assume because the BSL on your new boots is the same as the old that the forward pressure will be the same--based on one experience where they weren't.
And definitely don't rely on the BSL markings on demo bindings--a good starting point but that is all.
Oh, and while we're at it, don't trust the tech in a boot specialty shop to readjust your bindings for new boots. also based on one experience.
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10-03-2020, 06:16 PM #14Registered User
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https://www.dynafit.com/tlt8-expedit...00012&c=516550
Dynafit publish the Boot size in Mondo/ EU/ US/ UK, big AND they give you the BSL which would be pretty handy if you are wondering if a boot will fit in a binding mount you own especialy if its a non adjustable heel pieceLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-03-2020, 07:00 PM #15Registered User
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10-04-2020, 10:13 AM #16
evo tracks most common boot sole lengths here, but be aware there can be slight "ISO-conforming" variations in heel height and the numbers on the side of your heel aren't always correct:
https://www.evo.com/guides/ski-boot-...gth-size-chart
Edit to add: Also, there are variations in toe pin placement with tech boots, and many light touring boots have non-ISO 9523 conforming soles, so you really need to put the boot in the binding to know for sure . . .Last edited by gregL; 10-04-2020 at 10:34 AM.
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10-05-2020, 03:45 AM #17
Don’t assume that bc the BSL is listed as different on the boots that they are what they say that are....Last edited by iriponsnow; 10-05-2020 at 04:16 PM.
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10-05-2020, 01:40 PM #18Registered User
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What I'm getting here is that it's the wild west for BSLs and stop worrying about it after getting a release test. You guys seem like the peeps to ask, if I remount with some pivots I found cheap, are they flexible in forward pressure enough to cover a 303-310 bsl range? If the XT3 140's are not enough for inbounds days I might add an alpine.
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10-07-2020, 03:33 AM #19
Ok so what I gather is that you were going to change to pivots if you were to far forward, now you are changing to pivots because you found them cheap. Ok so we set that base line that you want to be cool. Now that we have established that.
Beyond that pivots have less adjustment then most other binders. The short answer is yes they could get mounted to take those two sizes. If it were me though I’d do a test mount on a junk ski to make sure it worked before I made Swiss cheese. And make sure the AFD is correct on your super deal pivots.
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10-07-2020, 07:03 AM #20
Isn't the lange xt series gripwalk/wtr soles? If you're planning on swapping boots with pivots, you'll definitely want the same soles on both boots as the "adjustment" is a completely different base plate and afd. For example this would not work between the xt and your Pantera.
Next up, the pivot has a total bsl adjustment of 7mm. That's not each way, that's total. Running them at either end of the range has been known to lead to bad things, especially if you burn the wrong incense or sft when setting up forward pressure.
TBH this thread makes me think pivots and multiple boots are not recommended for you.
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10-07-2020, 07:17 AM #21
New BSL, forward of line now
Careful, your skis will explode and you might die
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10-07-2020, 07:21 AM #22Registered User
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New BSL, forward of line now
This is the key point—I think you’d have get the mount absolutely perfect to the mm to hit the midpoint between the two BSLs, and even if you did, adjusting between boots will be a pain to get the fwd pressure right. Better to just get a binding with more adjustment in the heel.
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10-08-2020, 02:28 AM #23Registered User
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Thanks for the input. I won’t be trying to use the panterras anymore since they were grossly oversized. I picked up the XT3 140as a touring boot for my shift setup, and am hoping I can make that boot work as my only boot. I’m an average sized lightweight, so maybe. My concern about boot swapping was if I ever did get an alpine and had mounted pivots, would I be out of luck without drilling more holes. Sounds like pivots are really constrained to one BSL per mount, and I shouldn’t sweat my decision to put attacks on my quiver.
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10-08-2020, 03:49 AM #24
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10-08-2020, 07:26 PM #25Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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