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  1. #51
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    Yep, that's that same set of boots I'm looking at for next year. Should be at least one good one in that lot.

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    Oddly I haven't read anything about the Scarpa F1 XT, not sure if there is anything different than the normal F1 besides the buckles?

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    I wonder if dalbello will tweak rhe quantims as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilcox510 View Post
    Oddly I haven't read anything about the Scarpa F1 XT, not sure if there is anything different than the normal F1 besides the buckles?
    I thought there was something about possibly changing/ditching the tongue? I broke two of them so a plastic change a la the skorpius or something along those lines would be nice.

  5. #55
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    With a replaced tongue, albeit over a MUCH longer timeframe than phattypowppw, I've skied these boot almost exclusively this year. No further issues - maybe i got the new tongue? I'm somehow still on the OEM liners as well, despite typically being pretty picky in that regard.

    Overall, i still think this is a great all purpose tooring boot. I can feel a pretty significant difference compared to my older scarpa maestrale 2.0s when descending, but i never, ever end up taking the scarpas anymore. The skorpius walks great (not as good as the Fischer travers i bought while waiting for warranty), and skis well enough that it's just a go-to touring boot for me.

    If the boa somehow manages to better lock the heel in the heel pocket then it's a win, otherwise I'm not sure why they mess with it.

    I'm still at least talking about finding a stretchy solution the rigid upper Velcro power strap, but am still in the conceptual phase of this project. (Yes, i should just swap it for thick voile straps).

    I do get cold in them however.

  6. #56
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    Glad to hear that your new tongue has held up. While not a true "stretchy" strap, I've found that if I set the position of the velcro strap/buckle *just* right, I get a nice, progressive flex without any slop (I removed the top/power strap). It may take a few adjustments but they're easy and, once you've found the magic spot, it's $$$ IMO. The thick Voile strap sounds like a fun thing to experiment with as a power strap replacement.

    I'm impressed you've made the stock liners work - I couldn't. They are definitely cold, though (my feet froze the two days I skied them) but I've had no temp issues with the Intuitions.

    Quote Originally Posted by NWFlow View Post
    With a replaced tongue, albeit over a MUCH longer timeframe than phattypowppw, I've skied these boot almost exclusively this year. No further issues - maybe i got the new tongue? I'm somehow still on the OEM liners as well, despite typically being pretty picky in that regard.

    Overall, i still think this is a great all purpose tooring boot. I can feel a pretty significant difference compared to my older scarpa maestrale 2.0s when descending, but i never, ever end up taking the scarpas anymore. The skorpius walks great (not as good as the Fischer travers i bought while waiting for warranty), and skis well enough that it's just a go-to touring boot for me.

    If the boa somehow manages to better lock the heel in the heel pocket then it's a win, otherwise I'm not sure why they mess with it.

    I'm still at least talking about finding a stretchy solution the rigid upper Velcro power strap, but am still in the conceptual phase of this project. (Yes, i should just swap it for thick voile straps).

    I do get cold in them however.

  7. #57
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    Recently got some Skorpius and put a different liner in them (not a fan of the stock liner). However the cuff of the new liner is fairly bulky, so in tour mode the tongue of the shell ends up popping out of place and ends up on the outside of the shell of the upper portion of the cuff, making the quick, easy transition much less quick and easy. Seems like they should have made that portion longer, even if not a full wrap around the front of the shin like most boots. Has anyone had this problem and come up with any solution, like adding on some piece of plastic that would prevent the tongue from coming out of place or something else? First two pics and how it should be aligned, last is what ends up happening in tour mode.
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  8. #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilcox510 View Post
    Recently got some Skorpius and put a different liner in them (not a fan of the stock liner). However the cuff of the new liner is fairly bulky, so in tour mode the tongue of the shell ends up popping out of place and ends up on the outside of the shell of the upper portion of the cuff, making the quick, easy transition much less quick and easy. Seems like they should have made that portion longer, even if not a full wrap around the front of the shin like most boots. Has anyone had this problem and come up with any solution, like adding on some piece of plastic that would prevent the tongue from coming out of place or something else? First two pics and how it should be aligned, last is what ends up happening in tour mode.
    I experienced a similar issue on last year's set of boots. However instead of it being the upper cuff popping out it was the the part of the shell that covered the front of the ankle. Reached out to La Sportiva and was pretty much told that they've heard of the issue and diagnosed it as some people's legs don't fit the boot properly. Nothing to be done.

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    I also thought about trying to mod but as the issue was progressively getting worse with each tour I just cut my losses. You might be able to get away with extending the inner tongue with gorilla tape to prevent it from being able to pop over as easily.

  9. #59
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    Victim blaming = lame! Luckily my chicken legs work fine with the Skorpius shell + LV Pro Tour liner.

    What size are your shells? If they're 27 and you're trying to unload them, let me know. It might not be bad to have a backup in case the tongue on my 1st gens breaks. Frustrating that they got the main things right with this boot but tripped some details that seem fairly obvious.


    Quote Originally Posted by beowulf122 View Post
    I experienced a similar issue on last year's set of boots. However instead of it being the upper cuff popping out it was the the part of the shell that covered the front of the ankle. Reached out to La Sportiva and was pretty much told that they've heard of the issue and diagnosed it as some people's legs don't fit the boot properly. Nothing to be done.

    I also thought about trying to mod but as the issue was progressively getting worse with each tour I just cut my losses. You might be able to get away with extending the inner tongue with gorilla tape to prevent it from being able to pop over as easily.

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    I also have the frustration with the lower popping out. Iím not sure if I want to mess with trying to rivet anything on thereÖ.
    Next question: are cuff pivots mostly universal for a given outer diameter? I want to try the BnD Ultimate Cuff Pivots that they made for Vulcans, as my skorps are getting sloppy. However, Iím nervous about drilling out the existing pivots and sidelining the boots if UCPís donít work. Any boot gurus out there know if this would work?


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  11. #61
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    I tried the BnD on the mercury and it was a big failure. The BnD pivot washers move the cuff away from the lower shell. That allows the cuff to flex more. Way too much flex for me. BnD works on the vulcan because of the stiff carbon cuff. I fixed it by making a simple kit that keeps the cuff and lower shell together. T-nut, bushing, washer, screw from McMasterCarr.

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    Ah, thanks Cocximus. Maybe not a workable plan.


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  13. #63
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    When I was trying to fix my cuffs I was going to order the following nylon bearings.

    https://www.mcmaster.com/6389K115/
    https://www.mcmaster.com/6389K355/

    The T-nut to hold it all together. It's OD is slightly larger than the smaller bearing, but it should fit with some sanding.
    https://www.mcmaster.com/90973A116/

  14. #64
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    Anyone have some ideas for squeezing out a little more instep room? It's almost OK with the lower buckle half closed but eventually toes go numb. I'll try a bit thinner footbed but anything else?


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    The inevitable happened; whatís been a good/serviceable replacement for the lowest outer plastic cable guide? My thought is the lower, shortest cable catch of the ZGTP, is it metal?

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    La sportiva sent me a pair when i asked; they also have them on the LaSpo website:

    https://www.lasportivausa.com/loop-l...-vanguard.html


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  17. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benneke10 View Post
    They were designed with Trab, you can step right into the toes without having to press the lever they work so well together
    Is this a significant feature? Iím on trab toes across the quiver and have pretty dialed transitions, but there are times when an easy step in would be less sketchy. Do you need to step evenly on both pins or can you hook one side and roll onto the other?


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    On flat ground you can step in but in the vast majority of situations I still depress the toe levers to step in, but the ramps make it slightly easier to get in that other boots

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleaches View Post
    Anyone have some ideas for squeezing out a little more instep room? It's almost OK with the lower buckle half closed but eventually toes go numb. I'll try a bit thinner footbed but anything else?


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    I replaced the stock liner with a Pro Tour LV, which helped with instep pressure. Still wanted more instep room, so I heated the tongue of the liner and clamped it between two boards to make it as thin as possible. This has almost solved the instep for me, but could use a little more. Already using a thin footbed. My other complaint with the Pro Tour is that the cuff is a lot thicker than the stock liner, so it increased the forward lean more than I'd like. I'm considering the liner that comes in the latest Maestrale, which is very similar to a Pro Tour LV, but with a much thinner cuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by natebob View Post
    I replaced the stock liner with a Pro Tour LV, which helped with instep pressure. Still wanted more instep room, so I heated the tongue of the liner and clamped it between two boards to make it as thin as possible. This has almost solved the instep for me, but could use a little more. Already using a thin footbed. My other complaint with the Pro Tour is that the cuff is a lot thicker than the stock liner, so it increased the forward lean more than I'd like. I'm considering the liner that comes in the latest Maestrale, which is very similar to a Pro Tour LV, but with a much thinner cuff.
    Ive had success with tour wraps for both my instep in vulcans and now hoji's. I also had probles with tongue tours where the tongues attached. Between the overlap and the velcro to attach them it was very uncomfortable. Ive been in wraps since in both my alpine and touring boots. Powerwraps add some volume in the cuff but the tour wraps seem fairly normal. Im curious about their new dual density tour wrap now. Theyve gone to town with tech on those by the looks

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  21. #71
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    Check some of the thicknesses of the Palau liners on Skimo.co. Power LTs are 9mm, and seem to be consistent in the cuff (used to use on some TLT6 and theyíre great, but Iíve got a very low instep); Tour Lite Evo Pro MV are 8mm with 10mm cuff. TLEP LV I think are like 7mm and thin sole. Donít know how well they ski. Maybe worth giving them a call, boot fitters are very familiar with the liners and how they do in different shells.

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    Sorry, Iím off on those thicknesses. Tour Lite Evo MV is 7mm foot/10mm cuff, TLE LV is 5mm foot, unstated what the cuff is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benneke10 View Post
    On flat ground you can step in but in the vast majority of situations I still depress the toe levers to step in, but the ramps make it slightly easier to get in that other boots
    Ok cool. Sounds nifty but not a game changer. These boots have my attention. Size 27 is the same weight as a 28 F1XT (where I likely land for size). Expect minimal difference in stride, but an edge to the skorpuss for downhill. Need to get them both on my feet and also see how the forward lean / ramp angles feel. Waiting for the dynaridge is also temptingÖ tough life


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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    Ive had success with tour wraps for both my instep in vulcans and now hoji's. I also had probles with tongue tours where the tongues attached. Between the overlap and the velcro to attach them it was very uncomfortable. Ive been in wraps since in both my alpine and touring boots. Powerwraps add some volume in the cuff but the tour wraps seem fairly normal. Im curious about their new dual density tour wrap now. Theyve gone to town with tech on those by the looks

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    I should try the tour wrap. So far I've been thinking the overlap on top of the instep wouldn't be any better than a tongue, but maybe the LV. Also not sure about the bulk of the wrap cuff. Are you using wraps in the Skorpius?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dub_xion View Post
    Sorry, I’m off on those thicknesses. Tour Lite Evo MV is 7mm foot/10mm cuff, TLE LV is 5mm foot, unstated what the cuff is.
    Thanks, I'm not too familiar with the Palau options, will check them out.
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