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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    We can all do some research ourselves. Do the blow out the candle test with all your alternatives and with no face covering.
    Also, if your glasses or goggles are fogging it means your breath is coming out the top instead of through the mask--not good.
    I notice a lot more fogging breathing through my nose than through my mouth. Figures. When I was having PT after surgery they had me inhale through my nose, exhale through my mouth. I think it was to relax me. I might see if I can learn to do that when around people. People make me tense--pandemic or not.

    Or you can just wear the least covering you think you can get away with and not worry about whether it is actually keeping you or anyone else safer.
    If you want to label your “tests” as research and your interpretation of the “results” as data then have at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    I have one of those. They will not be able to be pulled down - once it's on, it's on. I don't use it at all, really - I go neck gaiter 90% of the time, plan old surgical mask the other. Without the filter inside it, it's pretty much the same as a gaiter anyway.
    Weird, I can pull it off my face and under the chin no problem. I like it better than buffs/neck gaiters as I personally don't like all the crap around my neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by East2West View Post
    If you want to label your “tests” as research and your interpretation of the “results” as data then have at it.
    I have no intention of sharing my research or my tests or my results or my data with anyone. For starters there are so many different masks and neck gaiters and whatever that anything I discover would be irrelevant to anyone else. Plus my investigations or inquiries or assessments or determinations would not be scientifically rigorous, since the strength of my blowing out a candle would not be reproducible from one exploration to the next. If you care then you can experiment yourself. If you don't care then just put something on your face and have at it. I've run out of synonyms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    I have no intention of sharing my research or my tests or my results or my data with anyone. For starters there are so many different masks and neck gaiters and whatever that anything I discover would be irrelevant to anyone else. Plus my investigations or inquiries or assessments or determinations would not be scientifically rigorous, since the strength of my blowing out a candle would not be reproducible from one exploration to the next. If you care then you can experiment yourself. If you don't care then just put something on your face and have at it. I've run out of synonyms.
    My inference was that any at home “testing” would be pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East2West View Post
    My inference was that any at home “testing” would be pointless.
    Why?

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    Ok, let’s say that you have 2 masks. We’ll call them A and B. On mask A you use your normal blowing force and you extinguish the candle. Mask B you use the same force and the candle only flickers. You step up your blowing force to what feels like an increase of 20% and you extinguish the candle. Which mask has a greater efficacy in preventing covid transmission to someone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by East2West View Post
    Ok, let’s say that you have 2 masks. We’ll call them A and B. On mask A you use your normal blowing force and you extinguish the candle. Mask B you use the same force and the candle only flickers. You step up your blowing force to what feels like an increase of 20% and you extinguish the candle. Which mask has a greater efficacy in preventing covid transmission to someone else?
    Clearly the answer is A, since B won’t be able to take off from the treadmill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East2West View Post
    Ok, let’s say that you have 2 masks. We’ll call them A and B. On mask A you use your normal blowing force and you extinguish the candle. Mask B you use the same force and the candle only flickers. You step up your blowing force to what feels like an increase of 20% and you extinguish the candle. Which mask has a greater efficacy in preventing covid transmission to someone else?
    Can we call one mask "red" and one mask "gray"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Can we call one mask "red" and one mask "gray"?
    Call them whatever you want as long as you realize with all that blowing nothing is getting accomplished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East2West View Post
    Call them whatever you want as long as you realize with all that blowing nothing is getting accomplished.
    Even if I make a wish when I blow out the candle?
    (The red-gray thing would only be understood by a refugee from Epicski--Flexon Phil and a few others around here. It was the epicski equivalent of jets on treadmills. Something to argue about for 100's of pages with no resolution.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorty_J View Post
    Impulse bought one just now... thanks.

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    Went there and saw this in the reviews:

    I've actually been wearing it on casual Friday's at the office since we are having to wear face coverings now and it's surprisingly comfortable even in the heat here currently.
    Who wears a full hood to the fucking office?!
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    Well, yeah, it`s really complicated matter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    We can all do some research ourselves. Do the blow out the candle test with all your alternatives and with no face covering.
    Blow out a candle? THAT'S the gold standard of research we're going on?

    Sorry my bro but here in the land of the socialists, our public health agencies have deemed masks or face-coverings (like a neck gaiter) as acceptable for transmission mitigation in public areas. Think I'll go with them, rather than doing my own research. If they change the rules, I'll change with them.

    Or you can just wear the least covering you think you can get away with and not worry about whether it is actually keeping you or anyone else safer.
    ?? I'll assume you're not trying to be a dick here.

    The most effective thing is to limit extended contact with others, not so much as what's covering everyone's face. Skiing seems pretty safe in this regard, other than getting stuck on a gondola or being indoors with strangers of course.

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    I found this to be the best framework for evaluating mask effectiveness. Please post clips of your results!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Star View Post


    I found this to be the best framework for evaluating mask effectiveness. Please post clips of your results!!
    That was fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    Blow out a candle? THAT'S the gold standard of research we're going on?

    Sorry my bro but here in the land of the socialists, our public health agencies have deemed masks or face-coverings (like a neck gaiter) as acceptable for transmission mitigation in public areas. Think I'll go with them, rather than doing my own research. If they change the rules, I'll change with them.


    ?? I'll assume you're not trying to be a dick here.

    The most effective thing is to limit extended contact with others, not so much as what's covering everyone's face. Skiing seems pretty safe in this regard, other than getting stuck on a gondola or being indoors with strangers of course.
    Limiting contact with others. Gee, I hadn't thought of that.
    Look, there is no research comparing the effectiveness of all the hundreds if not thousands of face coverings available. There's the Duke study and the Mann study. Public health authorities have told us to wear face coverings but not which ones because they don't know, other than N95's are the best but we can't have them.. So if you want to know which of the available options that you may already own work the best you can get a rough idea by doing your own testing. If you care. That's all I have to say on the subject. Some people just like to argue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Some people just like to argue.
    no they don't
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    you can get a rough idea by doing your own testing.
    No you can’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    no they don't
    I'm not going to argue with you about whether people like to argue. :-)

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    Again, if my public health experts come out and say "wear something so you can't blow out a candle from x centimeters" then I'll do it. Some crotchety old man on the internet who likes to argue? No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    That is very hurtful. I have no grandchildren and likely never will.
    hurtful in a nun fisting manner?
    need a courtesy lick?
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    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...-wearing-a-mas

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    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...coverings.html



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    I bought a few of the OR masks that they talked about on blister. Super comfortable and replaceable filters.

    If they aren’t blowing smoke it’s the same protection for the wearer as an n95 for everything but liquid blood.

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    Is wearing an effective mask similar to wear a good helmet?
    Seems like it might be; 'member all the fun of adjusting to noggin blankets? And look where we've ended up.

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