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  1. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by East2West View Post
    Ok, letís say that you have 2 masks. Weíll call them A and B. On mask A you use your normal blowing force and you extinguish the candle. Mask B you use the same force and the candle only flickers. You step up your blowing force to what feels like an increase of 20% and you extinguish the candle. Which mask has a greater efficacy in preventing covid transmission to someone else?
    Clearly the answer is A, since B wonít be able to take off from the treadmill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East2West View Post
    Ok, let’s say that you have 2 masks. We’ll call them A and B. On mask A you use your normal blowing force and you extinguish the candle. Mask B you use the same force and the candle only flickers. You step up your blowing force to what feels like an increase of 20% and you extinguish the candle. Which mask has a greater efficacy in preventing covid transmission to someone else?
    Can we call one mask "red" and one mask "gray"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Can we call one mask "red" and one mask "gray"?
    Call them whatever you want as long as you realize with all that blowing nothing is getting accomplished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East2West View Post
    Call them whatever you want as long as you realize with all that blowing nothing is getting accomplished.
    Even if I make a wish when I blow out the candle?
    (The red-gray thing would only be understood by a refugee from Epicski--Flexon Phil and a few others around here. It was the epicski equivalent of jets on treadmills. Something to argue about for 100's of pages with no resolution.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorty_J View Post
    Impulse bought one just now... thanks.

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    Went there and saw this in the reviews:

    I've actually been wearing it on casual Friday's at the office since we are having to wear face coverings now and it's surprisingly comfortable even in the heat here currently.
    Who wears a full hood to the fucking office?!
    focus.

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    Well, yeah, it`s really complicated matter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    We can all do some research ourselves. Do the blow out the candle test with all your alternatives and with no face covering.
    Blow out a candle? THAT'S the gold standard of research we're going on?

    Sorry my bro but here in the land of the socialists, our public health agencies have deemed masks or face-coverings (like a neck gaiter) as acceptable for transmission mitigation in public areas. Think I'll go with them, rather than doing my own research. If they change the rules, I'll change with them.

    Or you can just wear the least covering you think you can get away with and not worry about whether it is actually keeping you or anyone else safer.
    ?? I'll assume you're not trying to be a dick here.

    The most effective thing is to limit extended contact with others, not so much as what's covering everyone's face. Skiing seems pretty safe in this regard, other than getting stuck on a gondola or being indoors with strangers of course.

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    I found this to be the best framework for evaluating mask effectiveness. Please post clips of your results!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Star View Post


    I found this to be the best framework for evaluating mask effectiveness. Please post clips of your results!!
    That was fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    Blow out a candle? THAT'S the gold standard of research we're going on?

    Sorry my bro but here in the land of the socialists, our public health agencies have deemed masks or face-coverings (like a neck gaiter) as acceptable for transmission mitigation in public areas. Think I'll go with them, rather than doing my own research. If they change the rules, I'll change with them.


    ?? I'll assume you're not trying to be a dick here.

    The most effective thing is to limit extended contact with others, not so much as what's covering everyone's face. Skiing seems pretty safe in this regard, other than getting stuck on a gondola or being indoors with strangers of course.
    Limiting contact with others. Gee, I hadn't thought of that.
    Look, there is no research comparing the effectiveness of all the hundreds if not thousands of face coverings available. There's the Duke study and the Mann study. Public health authorities have told us to wear face coverings but not which ones because they don't know, other than N95's are the best but we can't have them.. So if you want to know which of the available options that you may already own work the best you can get a rough idea by doing your own testing. If you care. That's all I have to say on the subject. Some people just like to argue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Some people just like to argue.
    no they don't
    I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    you can get a rough idea by doing your own testing.
    No you canít.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    no they don't
    I'm not going to argue with you about whether people like to argue. :-)

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    Again, if my public health experts come out and say "wear something so you can't blow out a candle from x centimeters" then I'll do it. Some crotchety old man on the internet who likes to argue? No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    That is very hurtful. I have no grandchildren and likely never will.
    hurtful in a nun fisting manner?
    need a courtesy lick?
    cool gapic babblin bear story bro
    shame it got put to bed
    take a nap
    save yur strength for a
    lap
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    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...-wearing-a-mas

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    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...coverings.html



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    I bought a few of the OR masks that they talked about on blister. Super comfortable and replaceable filters.

    If they arenít blowing smoke itís the same protection for the wearer as an n95 for everything but liquid blood.

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    Is wearing an effective mask similar to wear a good helmet?
    Seems like it might be; 'member all the fun of adjusting to noggin blankets? And look where we've ended up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optics View Post
    I bought a few of the OR masks that they talked about on blister. Super comfortable and replaceable filters.

    If they aren’t blowing smoke it’s the same protection for the wearer as an n95 for everything but liquid blood.
    Have you worn one during exercise? How well can you breath? How does it deal with sweat? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    Have you worn one during exercise? How well can you breath? How does it deal with sweat? Thanks.
    Yes. Itís hotter than a surgical or buff for sure. It seems like itís breathing ok - afterwards my face was sweaty but the mask wasnít wet.

    The filter is removable so I guess you could adjust... if youíre wearing it in a purely ďprotect othersĒ mode, pull the filter for more breathability. If youíre in a situation where you want more protection (like lifts...) use the filter.

    Iím definitely planning to use them this season unless they show some really bad issues with condensation icing or any of that.

    Also nice that the ear loops can adjust top and bottom separately. So you can snug the chin without crushing your ears. And nice that the surface is antimicrobial. Nose metal is good too.

    Not shilling, just endorsing because they seem really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optics View Post
    Yes. It’s hotter than a surgical or buff for sure. It seems like it’s breathing ok - afterwards my face was sweaty but the mask wasn’t wet.

    The filter is removable so I guess you could adjust... if you’re wearing it in a purely “protect others” mode, pull the filter for more breathability. If you’re in a situation where you want more protection (like lifts...) use the filter.

    I’m definitely planning to use them this season unless they show some really bad issues with condensation icing or any of that.

    Also nice that the ear loops can adjust top and bottom separately. So you can snug the chin without crushing your ears. And nice that the surface is antimicrobial. Nose metal is good too.

    Not shilling, just endorsing because they seem really good.
    Thanks. That's very helpful.

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    I saw good masks on sarshop.com
    I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    I saw good masks on sarshop.com
    I read that as being about SARS, not SAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shorty_J View Post
    https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...coverings.html



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    Well then, guess I'm wearing the old surgical greenie when I'm in the lift lines. The government really needs to get on the same page here. Walking in to doctors' offices and government buildings they have signs outside depicting neck gaiters as suitable face coverings.

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