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  1. #26
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    God, I hope my new Mindbender 99tis don't ski like my Rustler 11s. Hopefully they plow through chop better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muted View Post
    God, I hope my new Mindbender 99tis don't ski like my Rustler 11s. Hopefully they plow through chop better.
    What length and what do you weigh? I'm 5'10" 170 on 188s. I find the 11s quite composed in chop, even they provide a slightly bumpy ride. They definitely skip over chop more than plow through it. And if you drive the tips too much they want to come around. But they go where I tell them even at speed in mediocre snow (this is the opposite of the Rustler 10's which only want to turn). After a few days I found myself skiing as fast on the 11's as I would on Cochises. The Rustlers aren't nearly as damp. They don't have the feel of a charger, but they just don't deflect when you're on edge and are so easy to shut down. Plus they generally are less work to ski, and are way fun on lower angle terrain with kids/friends.

    That's why I want a skinnier ski with similar qualities but more geared toward hard snow.

    Quick vid of me as evidence:

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    What length and what do you weigh? I'm 5'10" 170 on 188s. I find the 11s quite composed in chop, even they provide a slightly bumpy ride. They definitely skip over chop more than plow through it. And if you drive the tips too much they want to come around. But they go where I tell them even at speed in mediocre snow (this is the opposite of the Rustler 10's which only want to turn). After a few days I found myself skiing as fast on the 11's as I would on Cochises. The Rustlers aren't nearly as damp. They don't have the feel of a charger, but they just don't deflect when you're on edge and are so easy to shut down. Plus they generally are less work to ski, and are way fun on lower angle terrain with kids/friends.

    That's why I want a skinnier ski with similar qualities but more geared toward hard snow.

    Quick vid of me as evidence:
    I find weight and height irrelevant for ski choice but I'm 6' 2" 175ish and ski the 192s. I do agree they mostly go where you tell them even if they are skipping but I would not want them on my feet in Verbier, I'm no Leo. They are not confidence inspiring sometimes but still amazing don't get me wrong. I'm just hoping the Mindbenders are better on hardpack choppy days, soft chop I'll stick to Rustlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    Quick vid of me as evidence:
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  6. #31
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    My 2020 Enforcer 104 Free specs are exactly -8mm narrower each of the the tip-waist-tail measurements vs my 2019 Rustler 11s.

    I'm 5'7", 165lbs.

    2019 180cm Blizzard Rustler 11: 142-112-132

    2020 179cm Enforcer 104 Free: 134-104-124

    R11s mounted at +1cm = -6.70cm from center
    104s mounted at +2cm = -6.75cm from center

    Should work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kc_7777 View Post
    My 2020 Enforcer 104 Free specs are exactly -8mm narrower in the tip-waist-tail vs my Rustler 11.

    2019 180cm Blizzard Rustler 11: 142-112-132

    2020 179cm Enforcer 104 Free: 134-104-124

    R11s mounted at +1cm = -6.70cm from center
    104s mounted at +2cm = -6.75cm from center

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    How do you like them?

  8. #33
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    Own both the Enforcer 104 and Fisher 102 FR as well as being on most of the skis mentioned in this thread.
    When I read your initial “wants” I thought either the a Fisher 102 or Enforcer 104 would work but the “good in moguls” comment puts the Enforcer 104 ahead. More forgiving flex and it’s tail rocker makes it super easy to pivot. Mount plus one or 2(mine +2) for a more playful feel. Very fun ski off piste and pretty damp.

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    I (5’11”, 155 lbs) have a pair of 186 Enforcer 104s, mounted on the line. Find them plenty quick in bumps, so if your Rustler 11s are mounted on the line, I don’t think you’ll need to mount the 104s forward. I was making the same call between the Enforcer 104 and the Fischer 102 and went Enforcer for the same looseness and dampness reasons as you.

    Comps to other skis:
    186 Line Supernatural 108: the enforcers turn with much less effort, particularly at lower speeds. The Lines are a bit more stable at high speeds in chop, but the Encorcers are still plenty damp. The Enforcers feel lighter and quicker overall.

    187 Moment Meridian: the enforcers hold an edge much better and are more damp. The Meridians are quicker to pivot and are awesome in bumps, but the Enforcers are less hooky in weird snow and overall more reliable if you don’t know what you’re getting into.


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    Thanks for the info. Only ski I ever like in front of the line as the OG lotus 120, which just about everybody skied in front of the line. I'll be on the line or a bit behind, which is where I mounted the 11s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    How do you like them?
    Haven’t skied the Enforcers yet. Bought them from Fanatyco in Whistler in June for $479CDN delivered. Couldn’t turn down that price. I’ve owned Nordica Patrons and Helldorados in the past and liked Nordica’s build quality. So I will feel at home with that Nordica blunt nose.

    I've also been interested in the Mindbender 108Tis......pretty far back mount at -9.75cm...and I've read Enforcers ski great at -6cm - 7cm too (rec - 8.75cm)...didn't really see going forward on the MB108 as much.

    The Enforcer 104 is kind of like the R11 and the MB108 had a baby? Plus its blue. I like blue.

    Also really like the shape/profile of the Enforcer Frees. Should be strong/damp/pretty stable but still playful/forgiving?

    Will try to post some side by side profile shots of the R11 and E104 shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoVT Joey View Post
    But the Corvus is nasty if you can ski.
    I don't know whether I can ski or not, but the Corvus is the best ski for me that I've been on. Super friendly but can fucking mach when you want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon3 View Post
    I don't know whether I can ski or not, but the Corvus is the best ski for me that I've been on. Super friendly but can fucking mach when you want to.
    I'll snag a used pair cheap at some point. It's an intriguing ski. My concern is whether I can get enough energy out of the tail. Most people seemed to prefer the gen 1 Cochise to gen 2 because gen 1 was looser. But I liked gen 2 more because I could get a little more rebound out of the tail on steep, hard snow. My question about the Corvus is "can I get that rebound?" Doesn't need to be much, but it needs to be there. I've posted questions about it in the past, but I think I need to get on a pair to know for sure.

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    If you ski at Luv this season and have a boot in the 305-325 range -- you can take some 188s I'm mounting up for a spin.

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    ^^^^^Cool. I'm 302. Would love too on the off chance my boots fit.

  16. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by kc_7777 View Post
    Haven’t skied the Enforcers yet. Bought them from Fanatyco in Whistler in June for $479CDN delivered. Couldn’t turn down that price. I’ve owned Nordica Patrons and Helldorados in the past and liked Nordica’s build quality. So I will feel at home with that Nordica blunt nose.

    I've also been interested in the Mindbender 108Tis......pretty far back mount at -9.75cm...and I've read Enforcers ski great at -6cm - 7cm too (rec - 8.75cm)...didn't really see going forward on the MB108 as much.

    The Enforcer 104 is kind of like the R11 and the MB108 had a baby? Plus its blue. I like blue.

    Also really like the shape/profile of the Enforcer Frees. Should be strong/damp/pretty stable but still playful/forgiving?

    Will try to post some side by side profile shots of the R11 and E104 shortly.
    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    Thanks for the info. Only ski I ever like in front of the line as the OG lotus 120, which just about everybody skied in front of the line. I'll be on the line or a bit behind, which is where I mounted the 11s.

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    Agreed, the line is always a great choice but wanted to point out it is an option to move up a hair to make them pivot even better and more balanced in the air. As mentioned, the Enforcer 104 mount is a hair over 1cm back from the Rustler 11 mount and even .7cm back from the Enforcers 100mm and below. So some that like their old 100s back a bit might be fine on the line of the 104.

    Don’t think I’d go over plus 2cm on the Enforcer 104 or Mindbender 108 as their carving performance will suffer. Quite a few going further forward on the Fisher 102 FR as it seems to have a bit flexible mount area before washing out.

    My Enforcer 104s/Fisher 102Fr/27 other recent pairs all came with edge or base high spots which needed to be stone ground flat before tuning the edges. Enforcers and Fishers are commonly edge high which causes them to be stuck in a turn and hard to pivot. See people detuning the edges when they should be getting the bases flat and they won’t have to detune.
    So remember to check base flatness before touching the edges. Have my Enforcers and Fisher sharp tip/tail and are grip great when needed and pivot easily when flat.

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    Which ski is a skinny Rustler 11?

    I own the 186 Enforcer 104 (mounted on the line) and the 188 Rustler 11. I think the 104 will work well for what you are after.

    The 104 skis a little stronger than the 100, and is definitely looser off piste, without giving up much on the groomers (same sidecut and turn radius between the skis). But the 104 is still an Enforcer and nothing close to a Mantra 102 or a Blizzard Cochise.

    The 104 floats well enough for its width and is helped by the rocker in the tail, but seems to submarine compared to the Rustler 11.

    My 140-lb 16-yo fell in love with the 104’s in Whistler this past season, so I don’t expect to ski them much. I picked up the MB108TI which feels like a hybrid between a Rustler 11 and Enforcer 100. Yeah, it’s got a soft tip, but it is so versatile and fun. Glad I took a chance on it last spring when prices were low.
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