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  1. #126
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    I had multiple S1's (first reprogrammed and them replaced by Ortovox) that would crash like they were running Windows 95. I'd MUCH rather run a DSP and double check the button every time out than use an S1. Or a Tracker, or a Tracker 2, and possibly a Tracker 3 or 3+.

    Pieps/BD deserves criticism for sure. They need to do more to make this right. But do I trust Pieps/BD any less than BCA (who still hasn't released a Beacon as good as the original DSP which was released in 2003) or Ortovox? No.

  2. #127
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    ^ Wow, had two S1 and still have an S1+ for a loaner, none of them ever crashed. Didn't use the S1 units a whole lot though, so you probably had a lot more hours on yours.

  3. #128
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    Whoa, I should inspect my safety gear?

    I'm thinking of coming out with a bomb proof beacon that is over engineered to handle anything you throw at it. I'm thinking MSRP will be around $2k. Who's in?
    When life gives you haters, make haterade.

  4. #129
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    I always felt the S-1 was a design that was predicated on, "yeah we can make it do that too" rather than " it finds and is found by other beacons simply and reliably".
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

  5. #130
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    Sample of one, but I thought the S1 was abysmal. One and only beacon I bought then sold after one "use"/first practice. Way too complicated and whatever version I had was crazy slow in updating.

    Second worse was the Tracker2 and the ease of accidentally bumping the switch back to transmit while searching.

  6. #131
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    Quote Originally Posted by ::: ::: View Post
    [...] It seems like the whole lineup relies on that switch type[...]
    The latest generation of Pieps/BD beacons uses a different switch design (even though upon a first glance it looks like the older design).
    But the older DSP Sport continues to be sold new alongside the latest generation of Pieps/BD beacons.
    For those stuck in the Northeast, check out the NE Rando Race Series and my avalanche course. (For other avalanche course providers anywhere, feel free to use any of my "homework" assignments for your own courses too.)

  7. #132
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    seems like a lot of confusion about the different generations of DSP

    apples and oranges and bananas

    maybe folks should make sure they know what they’re talking about

    https://beaconreviews.com
    I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.

  8. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    hey that’s my picture!

    anyone had problems with the newer model?
    Whoops, sorry, I'll take some of the blame for that.
    I can get a photo credit added if you want.
    That photo was really important in researching what was going on for the purposes of drafting that page -- really appreciate that (i.e., as opposed to the all-too-typical social media complaints w/o documentation).

    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    I think most the issues are with the DSP series. They changed the naming in the last couple years when they updated the locking mechanism (which is now two slides versus a push and a slide)
    Yep, it looks the same, but seems to be immune from the failures of the DSP Sport & DSP Pro.

    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    Almost positive I've seen a pic of the new double slider broken. That doesn't mean it isn't rare.

    Sent from my Pixel 3a using TGR Forums mobile app
    With the caveat that anything can break, that just seems impossible for any kind of normal use with the new switch design?
    For those stuck in the Northeast, check out the NE Rando Race Series and my avalanche course. (For other avalanche course providers anywhere, feel free to use any of my "homework" assignments for your own courses too.)

  9. #134
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    photo credit is not necessary but never hurts
    I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.

  10. #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    [...] For instance, the Ortovox 3+ has the very cool feature where it will switch to the optimal antenna in transmit mode depending on burial position. Helps others find you, who doesn't want that? [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    Isn't "optimal" subjective? What if the person is on a hill, or on a flat, or in a terrain trap (gully) or steep creek trap, wouldn't that change the 'optimal' antenna to use?

    I suggest, if 3 antenna, there should be a protocol that allows devices to transmit on each antenna in 3 separate transmissions, basically allowing the receiver to pick up on whatever transmissions it receives. They probably do this already for all I know.
    The Ortovox features uses a gyroscope to avoid transmitting on an antenna that is oriented vertically.
    However, aside from that, if the beacon housing is in line with the horizontal plane, then that feature doesn't help at all, because the beacon has no way of knowing which of the two main antenna's is most closely in line with the searcher(s).

    By contrast, twitching back-and-forth between the two main antennas (the third isn't powerful enough to transmit, except perhaps on the flip-out Arva model), or transmitting simultaneously on both antennas, would be a ghosting nightmare that would make searching for an old light-blue F1 look like a breeze.
    For those stuck in the Northeast, check out the NE Rando Race Series and my avalanche course. (For other avalanche course providers anywhere, feel free to use any of my "homework" assignments for your own courses too.)

  11. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soups View Post
    Second worse was the Tracker2 and the ease of accidentally bumping the switch back to transmit while searching.
    I definitely saw that happen while teaching courses. But BCA did issue a recall to stiffen up that switch.
    For those stuck in the Northeast, check out the NE Rando Race Series and my avalanche course. (For other avalanche course providers anywhere, feel free to use any of my "homework" assignments for your own courses too.)

  12. #137
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    I'm still using an Ortovox S1 (not the +). Haven't had any weird behavior or glitches, seems to work properly in tests and practice searches.

    Is this one now too old to safely use?
    Quote Originally Posted by powder11 View Post
    if you have to resort to taking advice from the nitwits on this forum, then you're doomed.

  13. #138
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    I'd be fine touring with someone using an original S1, it probably comes down to someone's personal experience with them.

    I wouldn't be too keen on partners having old Trackers though.

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