Is the 20/21 ski season over at resorts already?

[paulster2626]

Please tell me how these progressive bastions can manage to develop a free vaccine without the help of Pharma. And furthermore, tell me how many normal people will immediately inject an unknown mixture into their systems just because the Government and some corporations who stand to make billions say it is safe?

You are a bit delusional.

Well that's the rub, isn't it? You can't possibly imagine that your government could pay for medicine and distribute it at no cost to individuals because you've never experienced this before. I can tell you when I have to pay for something healthcare related up here (like a $50 fee for something) I am genuinely surprised. There is zero question that a vaccine rollout in Canada will be done for no charge to everyone. But we pay more taxes and are less 'free' I guess, so we lose.

It doesn't have to be "progressive" or "conservative" - a government caring about the people it serves should just be the baseline standard we hold them to. How they go about implementing things isn't really all that important if the genuine desire to serve is there. The fact the USA has made a global pandemic (and subsequent treatment for it) political is fucking insane.

It's sad that having faith in science and government during a crisis makes one delusional. What a horrible place to be at mentally.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

I'ma going to start a coyote business on the north border this winter running powder starved skiers into Alberta. And I do mean running. All you gotta do is get acrost a couple few stubble fields and you're home fucking free.

[Toadman]

Trump regime gave several billion dollars to several different big pharma's. What do you call that? Fascism or socialism? But that get's too Polyasshat for this thread.

I Skied Bandini Mountain has a great business model. You got a vehicle waiting on the other side of the borderwaiting? Let me guess, a horse trailer. Bring your own blanket!

[Bunion 2020]

I'm usually a skeptic but I can tell you by the time I or anyone else here even get access to a vaccine we will know on a very wide scale if it's safe.

On that I 100% agree and that time frame will be around 10/1/2021 or even 10/21/2022 not 10/1/2020. Thinking that a tested and proven vaccine will be available in the next 3-4 months is starry eyed daydreaming.

It's sad that having faith in science and government during a crisis makes one delusional. What a horrible place to be at mentally.

OK Paul.

[bizarrefaith]

Loon has stopped selling season passes:"All New England Pass and resort-specific winter season passes are off sale until further notice. As we further develop our operating plans for next season, we may limit the total number of season passes we sell. An update will be made at the end of summer regarding further season pass sales."

[Bunion 2020]

Fuck the quote function. From NBC.



NBC News logo What's Plan B if there's no COVID-19 vaccine?

WASHINGTON — Americans struggling through the worsening coronavirus outbreak got some rare good news this week as researchers delivered encouraging updates about potential vaccines. Even Dr. Anthony Fauci, whose gloomy warnings have frustrated President Donald Trump, has sounded consistently enthusiastic about the prospects.


It’s a heartening thought that even as the country has failed to contain the virus or implement the kinds of public health measures experts have called for, there’s a deus ex machina coming to rescue us if we can just hold out long enough.

But some experts are worried about Americans getting too used to the idea that a miracle vaccine or treatment is around the corner. While there’s broad agreement the latest news is promising, some are concerned that the prospect of future relief could breed complacency amid raging outbreaks that are killing hundreds of people each day.

“I think we absolutely have to have a backup plan in place,” Carl Bergstrom, a biologist at the University of Washington, said. “It's something that’s not talked about enough.”

Even in a best-case scenario, the country may be six months or more away from widespread inoculations. And we may not be in a best-case scenario, which could require policymakers and the public to develop plans for the long haul.

“So far the story of the vaccine development seems to be that none of the things that could have gone wrong have gone wrong,” Bergstrom said. “That doesn't mean we’re home free by any means.”

If there’s a Plan B, it’s not clear what it is at the moment. The White House and its allies in Congress are struggling to negotiate even the next temporary relief bill, and Trump has repeatedly speculated that the U.S. will soon find a vaccine or cure, or that the virus will “disappear” on its own.

That has some people nervous. Ken Frazier, CEO of the pharmaceutical giant Merck, recently warned that anyone hyping a medical breakthrough before 2021 was doing a “grave disservice to the public” given the inherent challenges of developing and administering a vaccine.

“The reality of the world is that this time next year very well may look like what we're experiencing now,” Frazier said in an interview with Harvard Business School professor Tsedal Neeley. "I think when we do tell people that a vaccine's coming right away, we allow politicians to actually tell the public not to do the things that the public needs to do, like wear the damn masks,” he added.

While multiple vaccine candidates in the U.K., China and America are progressing well, it’s possible the next phase of larger trials could reveal more serious side effects or limits to their effectiveness. And if public expectations are too high, some worry it could put pressure on officials — especially in an election year — to authorize their use too quickly. (The head of the FDA has insisted it will not “cut corners” on safety.)

Even if a vaccine hits every mark on safety and effectiveness, there’s a possibility governments could struggle to distribute it quickly. The Trump administration is buying up hundreds of millions of doses of vaccine candidates in advance in the hopes that it can move quickly if they’re approved, but roadblocks could still emerge.

Topher Spiro, vice president of health policy at the left-leaning Center for American Progress, has spent months researching the logistics of inoculating the public against coronavirus once a vaccine is approved.

Potential problems he’s looked at include failing to produce enough glass vials to bureaucratic snafus over who administers the vaccine to simply struggling to convince enough people that it’s safe to get vaccinated. An Associated Press poll this week found 20 percent of respondents said they did not plan to get a vaccine if it became available, with another 31 percent unsure.

“We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves and we should start preparing for the possibility we have a vaccine, but that does not mean we should stop looking for strategies to contain the virus in the meantime,” Spiro said.

Avik Roy, president of the conservative Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, co-wrote a coronavirus response framework in April that argued officials should assume for planning purposes that advances in vaccines or treatments don’t materialize.

“I spent a dozen years as an investor in biotech companies,” Roy said. “When you're close to the ground in development of novel treatments, you're acutely aware of how often they fail, how often data that looks promising in the early stages doesn't pan out in the late stages."

According to Roy, accepting the prospect of no vaccine as an organizing principle could lend more urgency to installing security measures like temperature scanners, protecting vulnerable populations like seniors, and advancing plans to safely reopen schools.

“If we’re going to say it’s OK to lock down the economy and keep schools closed because we'll have a vaccine in six months, that involves a lot of premature assumptions,” he said.

Many expert suggestions involve redoubling current efforts to confront the virus.

Improving testing availability and turnaround times, which the White House has been reluctant to put more federal dollars into, could help detect outbreaks before they get out of hand. Hiring and training more contact tracers, and maybe even experimenting with apps to assist them, could help track the spread of the virus. Finding effective treatments that speed up recovery and increase survivability could make the pandemic easier to manage as a day-to-day threat. Former Obama health official Andy Slavitt has called for a national push to produce high-quality N95 masks for daily public use, rather than the more common cotton masks.

Any struggles on the vaccine front could affect the economic response as well. The longer the crisis persists, the more that temporary shifts like virtual offices or increased e-commerce sales could become entrenched habits. That could make aid programs like Paycheck Protection that are built on maintaining existing businesses, which may no longer be viable in a world ravaged by coronavirus, harder to sustain. As it stands, many businesses are already closing their doors permanently.

“The CARES Act was mainly based on the premise that we would freeze jobs and firms in place and then everyone would go back,” University of Chicago economics professor Steven Davis told NBC News. “There’s a great deal of evidence that the post-pandemic economy will look significantly different and many of the lost jobs are not coming back.”

Then there’s the less desirable backup scenario: The virus wins.

If enough people are infected waiting for a vaccine to emerge, the country could approach herd immunity and gain at least temporary respite from major outbreaks. Some experts have estimated reaching that point would require as much as 60 percent to 70 percent of the population to get infected, while others see a potentially lower threshold. According to a study this week by the CDC, America is still a long way off either way, with only 24 percent of even worst-hit New York City believed to have antibodies against the virus.

But some argue we’re likelier to reach that point earlier than we might think if current outbreaks worsen.

Former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, a CNBC contributor who sits on the board of Pfizer, predicted that by early 2021, “we will either have a vaccine, or we will have herd immunity.”

The country probably won’t be celebrating either way, however.

“We are a long way from it now, and a lot of death and disease until we get there,” Gottlieb said.

[Buster Highmen]

Fuck the quote function. From NBC.

Double click the "Reply With Quote" button.

[Benny Profane]

Well that's the rub, isn't it? You can't possibly imagine that your government could pay for medicine and distribute it at no cost to individuals because you've never experienced this before.

Yes, we have.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...virus-vaccine/

"It wasn’t always this way. Take the example of the famously innovative physician and researcher Jonas Salk more than 65 years ago. When Salk’s team developed an effective polio vaccine that was approved for public use, he refused to patent it. Who owns the patent? “Well, the people, I would say,” he told journalist Edward R. Murrow in 1955. “There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?”
The interview, which aired on the same day the successful vaccine was announced, quickly became the stuff of legend, and Salk continues to be celebrated for his scientific achievements as well as his lack of concern with what undoubtedly could have been tremendous profits.
Why would Salk and his team have worked so diligently, surmounting so many barriers to develop a vaccine if not for profit? Why innovate when profit is completely off the table?"

"Salk and his team worked with both public and private funders to research and develop the vaccine, and they used publicity and public engagement in the process. The nonprofit National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis (now March of Dimes), founded by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1938 and supported by his famous annual Birthday Balls until his death in 1945, was instrumental in raising the funds, awareness and public trust to run the trials needed to develop the vaccine, and millions of Americans participated in those fundraising efforts.
Salk and his team understood they needed to marshal enormous public trust to pull off a large-scale clinical trial that used 1.4 million American schoolchildren, called the “polio pioneers,” as test subjects in their historic double-blind clinical trial. The team had been working with public as well as nonprofit sectors, and the federal government was at times even willing to speed through some serious ethical concerns to get a vaccine as quickly as possible.
Because of this tremendous public participation, the team determined that the public had already paid for the vaccine and should be provided with guarantees of safety, at minimal or no cost."

[Benny Profane]

Trump regime gave several billion dollars to several different big pharma's. What do you call that? Fascism or socialism?

Technically, fascism.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

I Skied Bandini Mountain has a great business model. You got a vehicle waiting on the other side of the borderwaiting? Let me guess, a horse trailer. Bring your own blanket!

Create a diversion at Del Bonita with attempted smuggled load of untaxed hockey sticks, it's like taking candy from a baby!

[bizarrefaith]

Sugarloaf has also suspended season pass sales:"2020/21 season passes are off sale until further notice"

[paulster2626]

Yes, we have.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...virus-vaccine/

"It wasn’t always this way. Take the example of the famously innovative physician and researcher Jonas Salk more than 65 years ago. When Salk’s team developed an effective polio vaccine that was approved for public use, he refused to patent it. Who owns the patent? “Well, the people, I would say,” he told journalist Edward R. Murrow in 1955. “There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?”
The interview, which aired on the same day the successful vaccine was announced, quickly became the stuff of legend, and Salk continues to be celebrated for his scientific achievements as well as his lack of concern with what undoubtedly could have been tremendous profits.
Why would Salk and his team have worked so diligently, surmounting so many barriers to develop a vaccine if not for profit? Why innovate when profit is completely off the table?"

"Salk and his team worked with both public and private funders to research and develop the vaccine, and they used publicity and public engagement in the process. The nonprofit National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis (now March of Dimes), founded by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1938 and supported by his famous annual Birthday Balls until his death in 1945, was instrumental in raising the funds, awareness and public trust to run the trials needed to develop the vaccine, and millions of Americans participated in those fundraising efforts.
Salk and his team understood they needed to marshal enormous public trust to pull off a large-scale clinical trial that used 1.4 million American schoolchildren, called the “polio pioneers,” as test subjects in their historic double-blind clinical trial. The team had been working with public as well as nonprofit sectors, and the federal government was at times even willing to speed through some serious ethical concerns to get a vaccine as quickly as possible.
Because of this tremendous public participation, the team determined that the public had already paid for the vaccine and should be provided with guarantees of safety, at minimal or no cost."

Jesus - I knew you were old, but I didn't think you were THAT old!

Do Americans pay money for the polio vaccine? Like if you don't have heath insurance from a job? Here it's just covered by the government. I'd assume it's the same there, too.

[m2711c]

pay

[Benny Profane]

pay

Maybe now, but, I think it was free, or pretty damn cheap, when they first started distributing it. But, those were different times. We didn't have a Speaker of the House worth 100 million dollars, even inflation adjusted.

[Benny Profane]

Sugarloaf has also suspended season pass sales:"2020/21 season passes are off sale until further notice"

But, but...Ikon?

[m2711c]

good point. has any other ikon resorts anounnced suspended pass sales yet?

[Bunion 2020]

Jesus - I knew you were old, but I didn't think you were THAT old!

Do Americans pay money for the polio vaccine? Like if you don't have heath insurance from a job? Here it's just covered by the government. I'd assume it's the same there, too.

Thx for the 2x click.

And you Paul are young and have yet to get the shit kicked out of you. Often by your own Gubamint.

Most of the Yanks that post here support at least the idea of universal Health Care.

[Skidog]

Thx for the 2x click.

And you Paul are young and have yet to get the shit kicked out of you. Often by your own Gubamint.

Most of the Yanks that post here support at least the idea of universal Health Care.

I may lean right mostly, but.100% for universal health care in the right form.

Much reform needed in the pharma, insurance, and doctor biz before that can happen though. Im not hopeful

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[rideit]

This is as good a place as any to post this

https://www.jhnewsandguide.com/the_h...a220d17c8.html

[Core Shot]

2 people in the hospital with covid? Fuckkkkkk

[rideit]

Seeing as how tiny the hospital is, that’s a lot.

[The SnowShow]

When ski towns have CV issues this winter, that could spell doom on any open lifts, like it did in the spring.

[Core Shot]

Hopefully the nurses in the covid unit can blow into the patients noses.

#dementia #biden

But seriously. Seems like jh is overrun with tourons
Hang tough. Be safe.

[Ski220]

In the early sixties, as more vaccines became available, they just lined us up in school and dosed everyone. Although by that time, for most diseases, I had acquired immunity the old fashioned way.

[Sirshredalot]

Maybe now, but, I think it was free, or pretty damn cheap, when they first started distributing it. But, those were different times. We didn't have a Speaker of the House worth 100 million dollars, even inflation adjusted.

You're talking about the era when Nelson Rockefeller was at his political apex, Benny.

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