$600 a week

[The AD]

Wow. Reading comprehension is low.

So when you said this in post #1 you didn't really intend for us to read it:

I have employees that won’t come back, because they’re making more. I was paying them $18

[Ted Striker]

Rest stops, huh? Your business is free BJs for truckers? How does that get you paid?

GayPal or Blowmo

[wooley12]

I guess you didn’t really read the post. People having as little as 4 hours a week cut in Washington are getting an extra $600 a week on top of their unemployment benefits. We participated in Shared Work at the hospital and my benefit would have been $695 a week if I had claimed. I was only losing $144 a week because my hours had been cut by 4/week. The CARES money was intended for people that were actually laid off or lost their jobs. I choose not to take the handout because it didn’t feel right.

Some of the nurses and techs that I work with were making more with 10-15% hours cut. These people make $50-75k a year or more and they’re coming out ahead, working less and making more.


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So people having more money to spend at taco carts and supermarkets and gun shops and Amazon. A good thing for our consumer driven economy. That was the whole idea. It averages out, millions of people got nothing.

[Lone Star]

its worth taking core shot off of ignore just to watch him cry for a minute

[rideit]

My wife is climbing her ladder. So that’s helping.

The number on the top of my scale will change with new CBA’s, but I am now at a level where I don’t get increases just for staying. I get more paid leave, and my safety award is now accounting for 8 years of no at-fault accidents, so it’s like a few hundred $$.
The biggest thing with increasing seniority is I snipe our schedule like a fucking precision laser guided, gravy-seeking missile.

Anyway, the fact that the stay-homers (in fact, henceforth I shall apply the term and nickname “Homer” for them all) are making more than us workin suckers has been a source of not-insignificant bile around my work culture. I suspect that’s not just here.

I’m making a point (to whom? Good question...) with it though..The conservatives at work moan about socialism and go on and on about work ethic and all that.....if I’m a socialist, I mean, it starts with FROM EACH according to his ability. Ask not what your country can do for you... I feel those things in my core. Did we all forget about that part? Pretty god damn important part.
So, hey, whatever, I’m not Homer. I drink my little coffee and I ride my little scooter to work and I eat a little sandwich at lunchy time and I listen to a little music and say a little bad word or three while I fight a little traffic. Then I scooter home at sunset and walk my little dog to the beach and talk about our workies with my little lady and have a little old drink swatting little flies by the little old campfire. It could be so much worse. Really, I’m not grinding it out in the rat race, I put ketchup on everything...these are the good times.

[prsboogie]

The bill was written and passed in days, it would have taken far longer to implement effective means testing. Shit, I've never stopped working, didn't need the stimulus checks, but between myself, the wife and kid I got $2,900. Haven't spent a dime of it yet. I'm far from alone there.

It shouldn't have taken to long to figure out you can't pay people more on unemployment than they earn while working.

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[ill-advised strategy]

Haha yup.
Hadn’t heard that one in a minute.
Like most of my better posting here, it appears I was shamelessly plagiarizing the wise and stylish Alan Jackson.

[wooley12]

It shouldn't have taken to long to figure out you can't pay people more on unemployment than they earn while working.

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If wishes were fishes. It does take too long in an emergency.

[dunfree]

It shouldn't have taken to long to figure out you can't pay people more on unemployment than they earn while working.

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the whole fucking point was to give people money so they’d spend it so shit didn’t crash harder. That nominally worked. That the fucking brain trust here can’t figure that out is unsurprising.

i see we are reacting 2010 where the outrage over giving a poor person $600 is orders or magnitude larger than giv8ng a businessman $6 million. Typical dumbfuckery

[glademaster]

the whole fucking point was to give people money so they’d spend it so shit didn’t crash harder. That nominally worked. That the fucking brain trust here can’t figure that out is unsurprising.

i see we are reacting 2010 where the outrage over giving a poor person $600 is orders or magnitude larger than giv8ng a businessman $6 million. Typical dumbfuckery

Quoted for emphasis.

But, but, they get an extra $600! The leaches! Go fuck yourselves with a piece of rusty #7 rebar.

[concretejungle]

its worth taking core shot off of ignore just to watch him cry for a minute

Thanks for the tip.

[rideit]

Thread drift, but if you are getting the $600 plus UI, and not having taxes deducted before payment, you might be an idiot.

[XXX-er]

Exactly ^^ any body who is that much of an idiot won't have the money to pay the taxes when they come due

[prsboogie]

the whole fucking point was to give people money so they’d spend it so shit didn’t crash harder. That nominally worked. That the fucking brain trust here can’t figure that out is unsurprising.

i see we are reacting 2010 where the outrage over giving a poor person $600 is orders or magnitude larger than giv8ng a businessman $6 million. Typical dumbfuckery

So what in the fuck do you think is going to happen when the tab comes due. CRASH!!! I am far from the typical dentists on this site and work hard for my money and it must be easy for you to cast stones from your ivory tower. That said, its pretty fucking stupid to give away money without regard to how or who will pay. I'm no economist but really???? I really wish people would really get over thinking rich people will bail us out, it's not going to happen.

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[Harvey44]

We're also in the same boat.

Went through a fuckload of crap to apply for PPP, and SPECIFICALLY asked each employee if they wanted to come back.

They all said yes please and thank you.

It was before they or I knew about the $600.

Now some are pissed at me and my partner for including them. Heard one woman's husband in the background when we told her we got PPP and she was coming back:

"Fuck those assholes screwing us out of our money!"

We did PPP for the employees. Before we got it, we cut our staff in half and took some big paycuts to make our numbers work. We had half the staff with enough work to do and revenue to cover it. Now we have pissed off employees who aren't busy. Not great for the company.

WTF. Sucks.

My personal opinion: Unemployment was like 60% of your pay. Raise it to 80 or 90% or extend the weeks, or give people healthcare, or whatever. Don't pay them more not to work.

[2nd mate]

The short of it is...if they refuse work from you they are no longer entitled to collect unemployment benefits.

When someone fills out the weekly or bi-weekly unemployment claim there is a question that asks "have you refused any work?" Now I have never refused a job but isn't is safe to assume that if you refuse a job you are no longer qualified to collect unemployment???

I have not seen a COVID -19 befit claim questionnaire. This is based upon my experience filing in various states in the last 20 years. I find it very unlikely that the eligibility requirements have changed.

[Buster Highmen]

, its pretty fucking stupid to give away money without regard to how or who will pay. I'm no economist but really???? I really wish people would really get over thinking rich people will bail us out, it's not going to happen.

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At least one in three can’t make their rent, millions more can’t afford groceries, and workers in supermarkets, medical clinics, warehouses, and other professions are now in a macabre race to see if they’ll turn blue and die before corporate employers decide to slash their salaries or retirement benefits — which has already happened to front-line caregivers in some cities.
There are no projections of record earnings in the futures of such people. The best case is survival, and the grim reality of diminished economic horizons. Yet for the tiny sliver of people whose fortunes depend not on salaries, tips, and commissions, but upon the prices of financial products like stocks and bonds, the coronavirus response heralds a brave new world.
The $2.3 trillion CARES Act, the Donald Trump-led rescue package signed into law on March 27th, is a radical rethink of American capitalism. It retains all the cruelties of the free market for those who live and work in the real world, but turns the paper economy into a state protectorate, surrounded by a kind of Trumpian Money Wall that is designed to keep the investor class safe from fear of loss.
This financial economy is a fantasy casino, where the winnings are real but free chips cover the losses. For a rarefied segment of society, failure is being written out of the capitalist bargain.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...street-997342/

[dunfree]

So what in the fuck do you think is going to happen when the tab comes due. CRASH!!! I am far from the typical dentists on this site and work hard for my money and it must be easy for you to cast stones from your ivory tower. That said, its pretty fucking stupid to give away money without regard to how or who will pay. I'm no economist but really???? I really wish people would really get over thinking rich people will bail us out, it's not going to happen.

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We just bailed out the “rich” people. Again. And amazingly you don’t seem to care where that money is coming from. But an extra $600 to the working man? End of the world.

[schuss]

That response sounds like it is inevitable, so just pull the band aid off and let the healing begin. I mean approve any bailout amount as it doesn't even matter anymore how many Trillions the politicians add to the deficit, as the reckoning for how stoopidly we wasted money over the last 40 years has to be around the corner.

What fucking healing? Our fed is incompetent and there are no service jobs or other "hard worker" jobs to be had. Either Republicans stop jerking off over conspiracy theories and start to use their wherewithal to contain Covid and help things reopen or you need to pay people to sit at home.

[prsboogie]

We just bailed out the “rich” people. Again. And amazingly you don’t seem to care where that money is coming from. But an extra $600 to the working man? End of the world.

I never said they should have received a single red cent, did I? Don't put words in my mouth.

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[getoutside]

the whole fucking point was to give people money so they’d spend it so shit didn’t crash harder. That nominally worked. That the fucking brain trust here can’t figure that out is unsurprising.

i see we are reacting 2010 where the outrage over giving a poor person $600 is orders or magnitude larger than giv8ng a businessman $6 million. Typical dumbfuckery

^ precisely. people are pissed about giving someone who has lost a job getting $600 to pay bills for a defined period of time but no one says anything about the president's administration giving $700M to a trucking company that was sued for ripping off the federal govt?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/01/busin...oan/index.html

[schuss]

So what in the fuck do you think is going to happen when the tab comes due. CRASH!!! I am far from the typical dentists on this site and work hard for my money and it must be easy for you to cast stones from your ivory tower. That said, its pretty fucking stupid to give away money without regard to how or who will pay. I'm no economist but really???? I really wish people would really get over thinking rich people will bail us out, it's not going to happen.

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The goal is to dump money to keep people in food/rent etc. Until the currently unavailable jobs (waiters, retail etc) are available again and their normal income is back.
Don't do it? They default/get evicted etc. And you have a lot of not easily solvable social problems vs just a slight hole in the imaginary bank account. Also a lot of angry people out on the street with nothing but time on their hands and their backs against the wall.
Economics is not about fair shakes or what always makes sense at the individual level, it's about what keeps the economic engine going vs throwing an anchor in the track.
Beyond that, it's ultimately a government's job to take care of it's citizens, otherwise why does it exist?

[m2711c]

We're also in the same boat.

Went through a fuckload of crap to apply for PPP, and SPECIFICALLY asked each employee if they wanted to come back.

They all said yes please and thank you.

It was before they or I knew about the $600.

Now some are pissed at me and my partner for including them. Heard one woman's husband in the background when we told her we got PPP and she was coming back:

"Fuck those assholes screwing us out of our money!"

We did PPP for the employees. Before we got it, we cut our staff in half and took some big paycuts to make our numbers work. We had half the staff with enough work to do and revenue to cover it. Now we have pissed off employees who aren't busy. Not great for the company.

WTF. Sucks.

My personal opinion: Unemployment was like 60% of your pay. Raise it to 80 or 90% or extend the weeks, or give people healthcare, or whatever. Don't pay them more not to work.

you already beat the shit out of this dead horse on your fucking board.... How long are you going to continue bad mouthing your ex employees?

give it a rest.

[jono]

I never said they should have received a single red cent, did I? Don't put words in my mouth.

Your post reads like sarcasm as it is, why would anyone put words in your mouth?

[prsboogie]

Your post reads like sarcasm as it is, why would anyone put words in your mouth?

Dunf seems to think he knows me. Just because I said people shouldn't have made more than their taken home pay doesn't mean I agree with bailouts for rich/ huge corporations but thats the problem with everyone, its all or nothing.

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