Statue of Robert E. Lee and other confederate symbols

[plugboots]

They should melt the statues down and use the metal in new statues that commemorate people who have been lynched or murdered by police.

Or replaced with something anyway, and then a plaque with a picture/depiction of the original and an explanation of why it was replaced.

[gretch6364]

I am all for removing these status from public places, but let’s not forget that erasing reminders of history and our mistakes will many times lead to repeating them.


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[schuss]

Unsurprising those in favor of monuments to butthurt losers

[PNWbrit]

So I guess a trump statue is not gonna happen?

It already did.

[Meadow Skipper]

^ Would like to unsee that.

[AK47bp]

It already did.

Wow.

That needs to go in Lafayette Park ASAP


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[hikesalot]

The ultimate troll.


Wow.


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was not trolling at all. just shared because i was shocked to learn about the history. We had visited with the kids and we read a history book about South Dakota on the drive there. Was so disgusted by it really. It just seems like a big fuck you to the Native Americans. So we also visited the Crazy Horse memorial/sculpture that is being privately funded and built a few miles from there.
It will be larger than Mount Rushmore. Pretty interesting.


https://crazyhorsememorial.org/story/the-mountain

[AK47bp]

was not trolling at all. just shared because i was shocked to learn about the history. We had visited with the kids and we read a history book about South Dakota on the drive there. Was so disgusted by it really. It just seems like a big fuck you to the Native Americans. So we also visited the Crazy Horse memorial/sculpture that is being privately funded and built a few miles from there.
It will be larger than Mount Rushmore. Pretty interesting.


https://crazyhorsememorial.org/story/the-mountain

I wasn’t saying you were a troll. Mt Rushmore is a giant troll to the indigenous people.

Bad joke on my part.

I’ll go back to my corner.




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[frorider]

I found Mt. Rushmore to be one of the most appalling things I've ever seen. It is a monument to hubris.

Donald J Trump: ‘Hold my beer’

[PNWbrit]

Wow.

That needs to go in Lafayette Park ASAP


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They were being put up all around the country a few years back.

Saw one for sale in the window of a Cap Hill junk store shortly afterwards.

[hikesalot]

I wasn’t saying you were a troll. Mt Rushmore is a giant troll to the indigenous people.

Bad joke on my part.

I’ll go back to my corner.




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ha! went right over my head. sorry

[iceman]

Donald J Trump: ‘Hold my beer’

ha. no kidding.

[old goat]

They should melt the statues down and use the metal in new statues that commemorate people who have been lynched or murdered by police.

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https://museumandmemorial.eji.org/memorial

Trump is having his face carved 3000 feet tall into the side of El Capitan. Just as soon as his wall is finished.

[LongShortLong]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vi...ue/ar-BB1504ZT

Virginia is taking down the historic statue of Robert E. Lee and similar things have happened or are happening throughout the south. I wonder whether there is a private market for this sort of thing? I can see collectors and ultra rich southerners eating this up

There is a private market. Price looks good $1.42/lb
https://rockawayrecycling.com/metal/bronze-2/


Outside scrap, I doubt there's much market. Since I became aware of the statue controversy some time ago, I've paid some attention to statue presence. I've noticed very few statues. Especially rare are statues of specific individuals. No city I've lived in have any that come to mind. My alma mater had none. Googling shows a local uni, Stanford has 2 (Franklin, and a greek?), UC Berkeley has none. I've seen a few statues in Europe. Maybe statues are un-American?

As to the controversy, I once felt some need to respect history. After observing a general lack of statues outside the civil war racists, it's difficult to see them as anything but racist shitpiles erected by racist shitheads, and the sooner removed, the better. A picture in a museum is adequate to remember the less enlightened past. Or perhaps an artist can beat one into a new form, reflecting current values.

[iceman]

Lots of statues of individuals in DC. Can't think of any Confederates though.

"Lee? They should've hung that damn traitor."
-my Dad

edit: Brig. Gen Albert Pike CSA has a statue in DC but he's not in uniform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Albert_Pike

[irul&ublo]

https://museumandmemorial.eji.org/memorial

Trump is having his face carved 3000 feet tall into the side of El Capitan. Just as soon as his wall is finished.

It’s gonna look like this...

[dunfree]

Lots of statues of individuals in DC. Can't think of any Confederates though.

"Lee? They should've hung that damn traitor."
-my Dad

there was one across the river in Alexandria, but they finally took it down last week

[old goat]

After observing a general lack of statues outside the civil war racists . . .

Jordan in Chicago,Howe, Kaline and Cobb in Detroit, Mays in SF, Johnson and Abdul-Jabbar in LA, Rocky in Philly, Aaron in Milwaukee, Williams, Flutie and Orr in Boston, Arthur Ashe in Richmond, Lemieux in Pittsburgh, Lombardi in GB, Brooks Robinson, Unitas and Ruth in Baltimore.

For some reason NYC seems to be light on sports statues--there's one of Larsen in the Yankees museum, couldn't find any others. Oh, and there's the monument to bullfighting in front of the NYSE.

[Vt-Freeheel]

BTV has Big Joe on Church St

[Danno]

Just came across this article: https://medium.com/@orangeintogrape/...w-2884dd8d33f6

The monument was erected in the first period of when these all went up, in the early 1900s. But sure, let's leave all these up because they commemorate "history".

[k2skier112]

I am all for removing these status from public places, but let’s not forget that erasing reminders of history and our mistakes will many times lead to repeating them.


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You do know they have a lot of books on history. You should open a couple

[dunfree]

You do know they have a lot of books on history. You should open a couple

Gretch is currently mourning the removal of statues of King Leopold II , give him some space. Without those statues portraying a genocidal maniac as a hero, history is lost.

[iceman]

Topple the statues but teach why they were put up in the first place and why they were removed. Seems fairly straightforward.

[char_]

Topple the statues but teach why they were put up in the first place and why they were removed. Seems fairly straightforward.

Whoa dude.

I mean we have all forgotten Hitler and Saddam right?

Tear that shit down and I'm perfectly happy to engage in a discussion about the Monticello.

In the mean time, it seems that despite the fact that these statues are up many people have forgotten the actual history of who these people were. It's only now that we are discussing tearing them down that some are having to wrestle with what they mean and why they were erected to begin with.

[iceman]

I think you just said the same thing I did. Pull them down but don't forget the reasons they were put up. Not the reasons those people who built them or those who want to keep them would tell you, the real reasons.