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    Well, here's a source of this problem.

    http://www.citypages.com/news/bob-kr...loyd/570922481

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    It’s amazing how people will stand in their own debris and shout they are right about failed belief and disillusionment.

    Very entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    I think there's even less black people in upstate NY and Vermont.
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    if you were to take a trip through downtown Syracuse or Rochester or Buffalo or Albany New York, you would think differently...

    I cannot speak for Vermont.
    I think he meant to say Northern NY - Saratoga Springs up through the Adirondacks , very little, If any diversity up here at all.

    “Upstate” is a broad description of a large and very diverse state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Well, here's a source of this problem.

    http://www.citypages.com/news/bob-kr...loyd/570922481
    That right there is why no honest person can say "it's just a few bad apples." If that guy gets the majority of votes then the bad apples are in the majority. It's not true everywhere, but it's true in Minneapolis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-the-east View Post
    I think he meant to say Northern NY - Saratoga Springs up through the Adirondacks , very little, If any diversity up here at all.

    “Upstate” is a broad description of a large and very diverse state.
    Heh. Upstate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    America is weak, and under attack.


    So I think we can all agree there is reasonable suspicion that we are being fucked with by Russia. It is basically a fact they fucked with the last election right? Putin is very authoritarian, so it seems highly irrational to still put any trust in him not being owned by putin. They fucked with our last election things have grown increasingly politicized to the point many processes of our government seem to not be functioning. They are now destabilizing our country with misinformation meant to sew social unrest. China has been buying up our assets for years. Do you really think they aren't capable of working together? Ok, how about separately? OK, even if all that is just bullshit, there is still the gradual push towards authoritarianism that has been present for decades. Even if you don't believe it is a concerted effort towards it, this country is still weak. Its people have lost all ability to discuss things and form their own ideas. The primary way people process information about the world is an interaction between themselves and a screen. We are all easily misled. The internet has promised freedom of speech, which is great, and valuable, but if we are all sheep, irrelevant. It has also brought the ability to easily misinform. We also believe in American exceptionalism to such an extent that it does not even occur to many of us to question it, it is taken by so many to simply be a fact of life. Even for those of us intellectually aware that it isn't, it is hard to see past it. But there was Roman Exceptionalism long ago, until there wasn't. If we don't want to end up on the ash pile of history we need to wake the fuck up and realize we are under attack.

    Sound like bullshit? You don't like my politics and think I may be a libtard, conservadipshit or to totally be wrong about something or other? Fine whatever cool, but risk vs reward, theres only one choice to bet on. Read some art of war people. Remember your paranoia may be just that, but never let your guard down. Regardless of if you can wrap your head around all of this, there is enough evidence that we should all wake the fuck up and realize its not just our national secuity that is at risk, but the American Experiment. Not the American Dream, the capitalist dream, the white picket fence and a safe secure shelter from which to work and consume to feed the rich. Capitalism was not the American Expiriment. Capitalism was nothing particularily unique, or special, what made America special, special enough to be refered to as an expirment, was the idea that the people own the government.

    That idea, is brand spanking fucking new in the world, is under attack. We live in a crazy era. Globalization and our technological progress will continue to change the world. There is a push towards authoritarianism that I find impossible to deny, and very troubling. There is every possibility the American Experiment will come to and end, its idealism its very weakness, so easily torn appart, and demonstrated, for all of history, that people are unable to govern themselves.

    Our founding fathers were smart and wise men, but they did not see television, the internet, and globalized super corporations. They did not forsee people so rich as to outrank many nations. They did not forsee the ability of capitalism to undermine democracy. The news propaganda would have us believe socialism is the enemy of democracy, but unchecked capitalism is its enemy in this country. Democracy was the sacred part of america, freedom and liberty, and justice for ALL. Capitalism was just the economic system that seemed best suited to that, and was chosen by default. There is nothing sacred American about it.

    Why do I talk abut economic systems? Because black people woudnt be as angry about slavery if we had made a place for them in our economy, or if we had a justice system that wasn't predatory and didn't need to continually feed on the poor. That is a symptom of everything that is wrong with this country. So is small businesses being fucked into closing during this pandemic with no local control. Trump seems inept, but you cannot deny his behavior would perfectly match someone intentionally destabilizing the country to lead us towards authoritarianism. The possibility is high enough, that with the obviously astronomical risks if true, that it is not rational for anyone who loves this country or values their own wellbeing to contine to trust him.

    America is on its fucking knees. You think it can't happen but democracy will be a hickup on the road to totalitarianism. I feel crazy saying this stuff, but honestly I add up the pieces and I cannot deny any part and I cannot deny the whole that is made from the parts. Our electoral process is broken, There is every chance Trumptard will be reelected. People have literally been brainwashed by the 24 cycle of outrage porn. The endorphins that releases have fried their brains. I am not being metaphorical, its a medical fact, research to prove it or no. They will be led, not like sheep, but cheering and jeering their way to their own slaughter.

    But it doesnt have to be this way. There is strength in democratic ideals. The electoral process is broken, we cannot rely on electing the right guy to save us. The idea of elections was not the original democracy though, at the very start, for the greeks, democracy grew out of the idea that people should have a democratic dialogue, should discuss ideas with their neighbors, with people who both agreed and disagreed with them. That they should be able to do so with open minds. The cops do not want to be lackeys of the rich. The myth of the birth of a cop is that they were a high school bully looking to feel powerful, but the much more common reality is that when they were a child they learned the badge meant a good guy, a hero, a public servant, and I believe many of them struggle with seeing themselves as part of a system where it is hard to believe that is the case. We have to talk to them, figure out some policiy changes that can happen from the ground up. That Bellvue Police Chief wanted to listen, he wanted to talk. Having a real dialogue with any crowd of protesters is a tall order, but even if the dialogue didn't figure out anything, the intention was established. What I saw, was a cop with a good heart who wants a better way of doing things.

    The privatization of prisons, and the predatory nature of the justice system do not set the police up for success. If together with th e police, we can send policy up the chain of democracy, instead of down it, the senate and congress, with the will of a large majority of the people, can overcome or impeach a hostile presedent for obstructing the will of the people. Is this one issue something we can all agree on? If you really really just believe in the free market, perhaps you can have empathy for disenfranchised former slaves, and perhaps see that as a point to give a little on, given the historical circumstances? It would pacify the protesters, what do you just really believe we shouldn't pacify them, we should teach them a lesson? Really, is that all that important in the face of foreign interference to cling to the idea that justice has to be punitive, an idea so primitive it was literally mans first concept of justice extending beyond vengeance, and was never actually part of the American experiment, and again, simply chosen by default? Are you going to cling so desperately to some capitalistic free for all mentality that you percieve as being somehow American, at the cost of fighting and dividing our country while the real American ideals are under undeniable attack from without?


    I know lots of us are smart. Even the smart, aware, and woke among us must reflect, and reconsider how much we are being controlled. Some of us think we rise above it to be free, but lately I have been seeing the chains and the strings in ways I never had before. This is all what the protests are about though isn't it? Even if its not all getting articulated, people know this is all true, don't they? We need to wake up, reestablish our ability to find common ground, to talk to people. America has been sliding further and further towards it just not being socially acceptable to challenge someones view. Facebook is an echo chamber for likes, and that is basically the democratic forum these days. We need to create it. Even the brainwashed are capable of having empathy and finding common ground, and if we don't we may live through even more interesting times to come.



    Ahhhhhhh. I feel better.
    This needs to be on every page. Sure, there are some parts of it that should be dissected and quibbled over. However, it gets very close to the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powpig View Post
    I'm not frightened at all, that's just you projecting. I'm fortunate to live in a mountain town bubble where, at least today, I pretty much live in a different world than is shown on TV and discussed in the 20+ pages of this thread.
    to be fair, you clearly huff Seam Hannity's farts, so the whole world is different than what you "see" on TV




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    the CARES act bailout back in March which gave $6.2 TRILLION to the banks
    How can a 2 Trillion dollar aid package give 6.2 Trillion to the banks?
    Ooof!

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    Quote Originally Posted by My Pet Powder Goat View Post
    to be fair, you clearly huff Seam Hannity's farts, so the whole world is different than what you "see" on TV




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    Lol. Should try Rachel Maddow's queefs instead. I prefer them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happytimefunbox View Post
    sofaking proud of my kid
    shouting her conscience
    with a backpack full of water and EMT supplies
    doing what we raised her too
    speaking out and taking care of others
    She handled 4 heatstrokes and a big laceration between the capital and the department of public safety, watched the cop car get torched and bounced just like we talked about when shit got sketchy We sat on the couch together and watched arrowman's car burn and had some incredible conversation. When the pendulum swings the other way I hope we end up with a just society.

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    aint that the type of shit to make an old hippie smile
    I was gonna puts the csny teach yur children's in
    but im goin neil for kq
    simpler times back then jfk and dr kings words came to us in print or from mr concrite or a few tv media outlets
    my parents discussed them in the teachers lounge and the old man was transitioning from the af to flying for delta so it would be in the pilots lounge
    the both smoked in em though that I memberberries
    Seems like they discussed things with your neighbors at block parties and BBQ's
    now the media, social and otherwise have diluted the messages and splintered the country
    from the supports of the zuckeraliens empire, the twatters the 538ers, the opeders the left ,right peaceful, anarcysist etc
    Im not sure any great person has the power to change the great division and splintering
    and well silence from the assclown potwat was better than the bullshit dominate their asses and install peace thru superior firepower he finally spewd
    each of us as individuals to install small change yes
    for me its a serenity prayer thing

    other than that I skipped the slc protest/anarchy
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    Quote Originally Posted by m2711c View Post
    if you were to take a trip through downtown Syracuse or Rochester or Buffalo or Albany New York, you would think differently...

    I cannot speak for Vermont.
    Just came here to say the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-the-east View Post
    I think he meant to say Northern NY - Saratoga Springs up through the Adirondacks , very little, If any diversity up here at all.

    “Upstate” is a broad description of a large and very diverse state.
    Yeah, pretty much. I remember one night sitting in an outdoor sidewalk restaraunt patio on Saturday night during race season in Saratoga, with hundreds and hundreds of people walking by, and feeling shocked when I saw a black couple walk by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Jerry View Post
    Just came here to say the same thing.

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    Always here for the gangbang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Yeah, pretty much. I remember one night sitting in an outdoor sidewalk restaraunt patio on Saturday night during race season in Saratoga, with hundreds and hundreds of people walking by, and feeling shocked when I saw a black couple walk by.
    Did you call the cops?

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    No, but I did hear some women jabbering away about feeling threatened by African Americans on the sidewalk.

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    This situation is pretty much outta hand now. Once things go from peaceful protests to killing people the cops are going to start shooting back soon. What a mess.

    NYPD officer struck by a car

    See how a Car hits a NYPD officer, see how his body flies in air and then falls on the ground.
    What kind of justice this is for #GeorgeFloyd ?pic.twitter.com/PTCu5BxuIC
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    Possible explosives used to blow apart an ATM machine in Philadelphia

    Rioters blowing up ATMs in Philadelphia pic.twitter.com/IqB3jBRV1V
    — FreeZerohedge (@freezerohedge) June 2, 2020

    SUV plows into officers in Buffalo

    #BREAKING: Video shows SUV plowing into officers at Floyd protest in Buffalo, New York, running over at least 1, then speeding away pic.twitter.com/jlyvZskTfB
    — Amichai Stein (@AmichaiStein1) June 2, 2020

    An epic gun battle between police and rioters broke out in St. Louis

    Police in St. Louis are under live fire from rioters. Four have been shot, sent to hospital. pic.twitter.com/S6b2uuRVIE
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    America is quickly descending into chaos with unrest expected to continue this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    No, but I did hear some women jabbering away about feeling threatened by African Americans on the sidewalk.
    That's why we can't have nice things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    No, but I did hear some women jabbering away about feeling threatened by African Americans on the sidewalk.
    KInd of like that woman in Central Park 2 weeks ago I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    This situation is pretty much outta hand now. Once things go from peaceful protests to killing people the cops are going to start shooting back soon.
    So cops are going to shoot...back? You're saying they'll be shooting back. I just want to make sure I understand that part. Because I think the protesters might argue that would be an improvement over some of their past practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    I would rather see protests (peaceful and otherwise), looting, vandalism and chaos in the streets than the violent subjugation of the aforementioned activities. Those are the only two options at this point. I'm of the opinion that in the long run, the latter of those two outcomes will do more damage to this country than the former.

    What I really want is for there to be less goddamn hatred and anger in this country, and the world at large. I can't believe some of the things people said to me today about this whole thing, all of it dripping with hatred.
    Turn off your tv and social media. You'll be just find.

    These mediums are run by algorithms designed to instigate and profit the more divisive the population becomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    So cops are going to shoot...back? You're saying they'll be shooting back. I just want to make sure I understand that part. Because I think the protesters might argue that would be an improvement over some of their past practices.



    Yeah, uh, go back and watch what they did last night in front of the WH. Not lead bullets, but, still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    So cops are going to shoot...back? You're saying they'll be shooting back. I just want to make sure I understand that part. Because I think the protesters might argue that would be an improvement over some of their past practices.
    Ya. This. How are the cops shitting back if they aren't being shot at in the first place????

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    Ya. This. How are the cops shitting back if they aren't being shot at in the first place????
    Maybe check the news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    This situation is pretty much outta hand now. Once things go from peaceful protests to killing people the cops are going to start shooting back soon. What a mess.
    Maybe this would have happened eventually anyway, but it sure is curious that there was a sudden uptick in injuries and death after the president spoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    This needs to be on every page. Sure, there are some parts of it that should be dissected and quibbled over. However, it gets very close to the mark.
    Well, what do we do then? If you agree with most of that, then I think we can agree our country is in danger. What do we do? What do you think of the idea that we can have policy change enacted from the ground up?

    The citizens of this country need to save it. Those in power, for various reasons, are just unable to.
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