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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Here you go - vigilante justice Snohomish county style:


    Armed citizens stand vigil in Snohomish on Monday. They declined to identify themselves. The man said they were there to “keep business owners and businesses safe. We don’t need our little town torn apart.” (Ian Davis-Leonard / The Herald)

    Fear of destruction brings curfews, closures and police
    Peaceful weekend demonstrations have been followed by roadblocks and armed citizens standing guard.
    Looks like this couple took the "eat the poor" slogan a little too seriously. Long pig: it's what's for dinner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
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    I don't drink. This is just my way of processing the emotions all this makes me feel. I feel things, I reflect, I speak from the heart. Strange, I know.


    Everyones just acting like everythings going to be fine because it always has been. Fools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    My god, look at those battle hardened warriors. You can tell from the thousand yard stare that they are un-fuckable-with. Who would dare.
    No tear gas needed, just throw a hand full of Snickers on the ground and they'll dive on them.

    So what in the actual fuck does a citizen like them think, I can just shoot someone and it's all good? I'm using my white privilege???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    There was a peaceful protest in front of the capital building in Idaho this weekend. Was not large but more attendance than the open up protest from a few weeks ago.
    Good for ID! I did wonder how up to date it was.

    Here's something else they reported on: protests in London, Berlin, Paris, NZ. I get the solidarity aspect but some have been violent. That I don't get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Watching the PBS Newshour and they show a map of the US with red dots where protests were held across the nation.

    Not one red dot in Idaho.
    Have many in ID even seen an African American?

    According to the most recent American Community Survey, the Black population in idaho is 10,739 – at 0.6% of the total population of idaho. The percentage growth of Blacks in America is the third largest percentage change for any race according to the Census's race and ethnicity definition.

    There are now 42 million people who identify as Black or African American living in America, making up 12% of the total population. According to the most recent American Community Survey, the Black population in washington is 259,482 – at 3.6% of the total population of washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Good for ID! I did wonder how up to date it was.

    Here's something else they reported on: protests in London, Berlin, Paris, NZ. I get the solidarity aspect but some have been violent. That I don't get.
    People have been cooped up with bitchy wives and manic 4-6 year olds. I read about it here. They're a little edgy. Time to blow off steam and score some cool stuff at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2skier112 View Post
    Have many in ID even seen an African American?

    According to the most recent American Community Survey, the Black population in idaho is 10,739 – at 0.6% of the total population of idaho. The percentage growth of Blacks in America is the third largest percentage change for any race according to the Census's race and ethnicity definition.

    There are now 42 million people who identify as Black or African American living in America, making up 12% of the total population. According to the most recent American Community Survey, the Black population in washington is 259,482 – at 3.6% of the total population of washington
    I think there's even less black people in upstate NY and Vermont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Watching the PBS Newshour and they show a map of the US with red dots where protests were held across the nation.

    Not one red dot in Idaho.
    They don't have Spokane on that map, either. Inslee has provided for 200 NG troops here to aid in keeping the peace. So far tonight, nothing happening. Coeur d'Alene has a bunch of armed citizens hanging around their downtown area just in case the miscreants from last night in Spokane head east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2skier112 View Post
    No tear gas needed, just throw a hand full of Snickers on the ground and they'll dive on them.

    So what in the actual fuck does a citizen like them think, I can just shoot someone and it's all good? I'm using my white privilege???
    Damn you for making beer shoot out my nose

    Reading more closely it appears a militia including a contingent of Proud Boys showed up in Snohomish Saturday night to defend the town against an onslaught of violent protestors. It was based on a Facebook post that nobody actually ever saw - just a rumor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
    They don't have Spokane on that map, either. Inslee has provided for 200 NG troops here to aid in keeping the peace. So far tonight, nothing happening. Coeur d'Alene has a bunch of armed citizens hanging around their downtown area just in case the miscreants from last night in Spokane head east.
    Oh damn! Watching the local there were people rioting in Tri-Cities (vandals). Well there you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Good for ID! I did wonder how up to date it was.

    Here's something else they reported on: protests in London, Berlin, Paris, NZ. I get the solidarity aspect but some have been violent. That I don't get.
    From what I heard, those protests were all at the U.S. Embassies, and the violence was directed toward either the Embassy or expats.

    The world is sick of our bullshit too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Oh damn! Watching the local there were people rioting in Tri-Cities (vandals). Well there you go.
    Better look out, WW could be next....

    Yeah, and I spoke too soon. Large group gathering in downtown Spokane becoming increasingly aggressive to passing drivers and anyone else who happens by. The Mayor enacted an 8:15 curfew and the police are now trying to get the group to disperse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Tucker Carlson destroying Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n5_D59lSjc
    Ugh, I can't believe I watched some of that. He wasn't destroying Trump, what the fuck did you watch? He basically dismissed the idea that there were any peaceful protestors or that there was any reason to protest; he viewed it all as rioters looting and destroying everything. And his "destroying Trump" was ripping into him for not cracking down more forcefully on the protests, using the military and all his power. I mean, FFS, he praised Trump's speech at the cathedral as powerful symbolism. No mention of tear gas shot at people to clear the path, no mention of holding a Bible without knowing a single fucking concept in it, no mention of how the church wanted nothing to do with him being there.

    I feel dirty for having watched any of that in the hopes that Carlson had any decency in him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    Ahhhhhhh. I feel better.
    Excellent. It was a good rant and well-stated. Art of War reference seems quite pertinant on several levels, not least the admonition to choose battles that are to your own advantage and expect the same of your enemy. It hardly matters if the CCP or the Russians are actively paying to help, we shouldn't be helping make their case anyway. Politics need to end at the water's edge and we need to get back to who we are.

    One thing about terminology: a free market is not capitalism. Capitalism is the worship of capital and its inherent quest to dominate, not a system of free markets. Free markets are very much a part of who we are. Capitalism has been hitching a ride ever since the days of slave owners, land owners versus sharecroppers and contracts of endentured servitude. There's nothing free about markets where capital gets government-protected monopolies or the ability to hold laborers and consumers under duress, bargain in bad faith or just outright defraud people. This is not an argument for unregulated anarchy. Freedom requires protection and where the capitalist is all too happy to rob everyone a free market requires justice for all. They're just totally different things and the duping of Americans to believe we have to accept one to get the other has been a significant crime. Inequality needs to be addressed and corporate America needs to pay their share--it's cheaper than new buildings, anyway.

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    National Guard was out in Scottsdale over the weekend, though not sure if they were officially activated. They have an outpost like a mile away so it could have been someone just picking up the phone to a contact they had over there.

    I was about a block away from the bs that occurred in OT Scottsdale Saturday night as it was happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    I think there's even less black people in upstate NY and Vermont.
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    Santa Cruz is not on that damned map either. We had hundreds including the chief of police. But nothing new is broken, so maybe we did it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    America is weak, and under attack.


    So I think we can all agree there is reasonable suspicion that we are being fucked with by Russia. It is basically a fact they fucked with the last election right? Putin is very authoritarian, so it seems highly irrational to still put any trust in him not being owned by putin. They fucked with our last election things have grown increasingly politicized to the point many processes of our government seem to not be functioning. They are now destabilizing our country with misinformation meant to sew social unrest. China has been buying up our assets for years. Do you really think they aren't capable of working together? Ok, how about separately? OK, even if all that is just bullshit, there is still the gradual push towards authoritarianism that has been present for decades. Even if you don't believe it is a concerted effort towards it, this country is still weak. Its people have lost all ability to discuss things and form their own ideas. The primary way people process information about the world is an interaction between themselves and a screen. We are all easily misled. The internet has promised freedom of speech, which is great, and valuable, but if we are all sheep, irrelevant. It has also brought the ability to easily misinform. We also believe in American exceptionalism to such an extent that it does not even occur to many of us to question it, it is taken by so many to simply be a fact of life. Even for those of us intellectually aware that it isn't, it is hard to see past it. But there was Roman Exceptionalism long ago, until there wasn't. If we don't want to end up on the ash pile of history we need to wake the fuck up and realize we are under attack.

    Sound like bullshit? You don't like my politics and think I may be a libtard, conservadipshit or to totally be wrong about something or other? Fine whatever cool, but risk vs reward, theres only one choice to bet on. Read some art of war people. Remember your paranoia may be just that, but never let your guard down. Regardless of if you can wrap your head around all of this, there is enough evidence that we should all wake the fuck up and realize its not just our national secuity that is at risk, but the American Experiment. Not the American Dream, the capitalist dream, the white picket fence and a safe secure shelter from which to work and consume to feed the rich. Capitalism was not the American Expiriment. Capitalism was nothing particularily unique, or special, what made America special, special enough to be refered to as an expirment, was the idea that the people own the government.

    That idea, is brand spanking fucking new in the world, is under attack. We live in a crazy era. Globalization and our technological progress will continue to change the world. There is a push towards authoritarianism that I find impossible to deny, and very troubling. There is every possibility the American Experiment will come to and end, its idealism its very weakness, so easily torn appart, and demonstrated, for all of history, that people are unable to govern themselves.

    Our founding fathers were smart and wise men, but they did not see television, the internet, and globalized super corporations. They did not forsee people so rich as to outrank many nations. They did not forsee the ability of capitalism to undermine democracy. The news propaganda would have us believe socialism is the enemy of democracy, but unchecked capitalism is its enemy in this country. Democracy was the sacred part of america, freedom and liberty, and justice for ALL. Capitalism was just the economic system that seemed best suited to that, and was chosen by default. There is nothing sacred American about it.

    Why do I talk abut economic systems? Because black people woudnt be as angry about slavery if we had made a place for them in our economy, or if we had a justice system that wasn't predatory and didn't need to continually feed on the poor. That is a symptom of everything that is wrong with this country. So is small businesses being fucked into closing during this pandemic with no local control. Trump seems inept, but you cannot deny his behavior would perfectly match someone intentionally destabilizing the country to lead us towards authoritarianism. The possibility is high enough, that with the obviously astronomical risks if true, that it is not rational for anyone who loves this country or values their own wellbeing to contine to trust him.

    America is on its fucking knees. You think it can't happen but democracy will be a hickup on the road to totalitarianism. I feel crazy saying this stuff, but honestly I add up the pieces and I cannot deny any part and I cannot deny the whole that is made from the parts. Our electoral process is broken, There is every chance Trumptard will be reelected. People have literally been brainwashed by the 24 cycle of outrage porn. The endorphins that releases have fried their brains. I am not being metaphorical, its a medical fact, research to prove it or no. They will be led, not like sheep, but cheering and jeering their way to their own slaughter.

    But it doesnt have to be this way. There is strength in democratic ideals. The electoral process is broken, we cannot rely on electing the right guy to save us. The idea of elections was not the original democracy though, at the very start, for the greeks, democracy grew out of the idea that people should have a democratic dialogue, should discuss ideas with their neighbors, with people who both agreed and disagreed with them. That they should be able to do so with open minds. The cops do not want to be lackeys of the rich. The myth of the birth of a cop is that they were a high school bully looking to feel powerful, but the much more common reality is that when they were a child they learned the badge meant a good guy, a hero, a public servant, and I believe many of them struggle with seeing themselves as part of a system where it is hard to believe that is the case. We have to talk to them, figure out some policiy changes that can happen from the ground up. That Bellvue Police Chief wanted to listen, he wanted to talk. Having a real dialogue with any crowd of protesters is a tall order, but even if the dialogue didn't figure out anything, the intention was established. What I saw, was a cop with a good heart who wants a better way of doing things.

    The privatization of prisons, and the predatory nature of the justice system do not set the police up for success. If together with th e police, we can send policy up the chain of democracy, instead of down it, the senate and congress, with the will of a large majority of the people, can overcome or impeach a hostile presedent for obstructing the will of the people. Is this one issue something we can all agree on? If you really really just believe in the free market, perhaps you can have empathy for disenfranchised former slaves, and perhaps see that as a point to give a little on, given the historical circumstances? It would pacify the protesters, what do you just really believe we shouldn't pacify them, we should teach them a lesson? Really, is that all that important in the face of foreign interference to cling to the idea that justice has to be punitive, an idea so primitive it was literally mans first concept of justice extending beyond vengeance, and was never actually part of the American experiment, and again, simply chosen by default? Are you going to cling so desperately to some capitalistic free for all mentality that you percieve as being somehow American, at the cost of fighting and dividing our country while the real American ideals are under undeniable attack from without?


    I know lots of us are smart. Even the smart, aware, and woke among us must reflect, and reconsider how much we are being controlled. Some of us think we rise above it to be free, but lately I have been seeing the chains and the strings in ways I never had before. This is all what the protests are about though isn't it? Even if its not all getting articulated, people know this is all true, don't they? We need to wake up, reestablish our ability to find common ground, to talk to people. America has been sliding further and further towards it just not being socially acceptable to challenge someones view. Facebook is an echo chamber for likes, and that is basically the democratic forum these days. We need to create it. Even the brainwashed are capable of having empathy and finding common ground, and if we don't we may live through even more interesting times to come.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Good for ID! I did wonder how up to date it was.

    Here's something else they reported on: protests in London, Berlin, Paris, NZ. I get the solidarity aspect but some have been violent. That I don't get.
    Many of the things that are broken with our system are also broken with theirs I imagine. Also, I think its safe to say that all of the things flawed about human nature here are still flawed in those places as well.

    But yea, it doesn't accomplish anything, and is not much of a show of solidarity really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Excellent. It was a good rant and well-stated. Art of War reference seems quite pertinant on several levels, not least the admonition to choose battles that are to your own advantage and expect the same of your enemy. It hardly matters if the CCP or the Russians are actively paying to help, we shouldn't be helping make their case anyway. Politics need to end at the water's edge and we need to get back to who we are.

    One thing about terminology: a free market is not capitalism. Capitalism is the worship of capital and its inherent quest to dominate, not a system of free markets. Free markets are very much a part of who we are. Capitalism has been hitching a ride ever since the days of slave owners, land owners versus sharecroppers and contracts of endentured servitude. There's nothing free about markets where capital gets government-protected monopolies or the ability to hold laborers and consumers under duress, bargain in bad faith or just outright defraud people. This is not an argument for unregulated anarchy. Freedom requires protection and where the capitalist is all too happy to rob everyone a free market requires justice for all. They're just totally different things and the duping of Americans to believe we have to accept one to get the other has been a significant crime. Inequality needs to be addressed and corporate America needs to pay their share--it's cheaper than new buildings, anyway.
    We haven't had Free Markets in a very long time.
    Steve Mnuchin was the head of IT at Goldman-Sachs. He's a master at fixing/rigging/manipulating markets. He may have achieved a new level of criminality but it's not like this hasn't been going on for several administrations.

    Since Leroy steered this discussion towards economic systems, I will again point out how Trump & Pelosi have teamed up to screw us all. Without a single dissenting vote, Congress unanimously agreed with Trump to pass the CARES act bailout back in March which gave $6.2 TRILLION to the banks (Wall St, Hedge Funds etc) while we're each promised less than a month's rent.
    Back in 2008, Bush bailed out the banks, giving them "just" $700 Billion, and Obama ignored their fraudulent practices and drove the getaway car, prosecuted none of 'em while sitting back and allowing more than 5 million families to be foreclosed on and kicked outta their homes during a recession. Our tax dollars funded their acquisition of our assets.
    This latest CARES Act bailout will be the biggest wealth consolidation in Earth history. The richest .001% ruling elite (who least need it) will scoop up all the closed & distressed businesses for pennies. Then we'll see another round of foreclosures, and as Trump can't stand the idea of being outdone by Obama, it'll likely be huuuuugerrr than we've ever seen. As has been said before, their profits are privatized but their losses are socialized. Pretty much the antithesis of a Free Market!
    Corporate America will never pay their fare share, the Executive & Legislative branches have seen to that and neither Trump or Biden have any interest in rocking that boat.
    If folks want to riot and tear shit down, this is what we should all be united over. Instead we're all sniping at each other. I feel like a fucking lab rat being being poked & prodded with the daily outrage of injustice stimuli. At least the test monkeys gotta rocket ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    I think there's even less black people in upstate NY and Vermont.
    if you were to take a trip through downtown Syracuse or Rochester or Buffalo or Albany New York, you would think differently...

    I cannot speak for Vermont.

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