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10-13-2020, 01:53 PM #101
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10-13-2020, 03:11 PM #102
I remain confused as to how this is a criminal instead of a civil matter?
Originally Posted by blurred
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10-13-2020, 03:45 PM #103
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10-15-2020, 08:07 AM #104
And then this dude Madison is getting sued for effectively NOT putting someone else at risk. Or going backsies on an alleged pinky swear. Or whatever this is.
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ummiting/page2
Not exactly apples to apples .. but it made me wonder if hypothetically one of these two were guiding the other, and refused to let them ride the line because of avi risk. Get sued or get charged? That sucks.north bound horse.
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10-19-2020, 11:13 AM #105
Here's the go pro footage of them triggering the slide. Judge for yourself
https://coloradosun.com/2020/10/18/c...Kh3lmNYWUz0wYQ
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10-19-2020, 11:27 AM #106guy who skis
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This is a bad quote for the purposes of a recklessness analysis: “F***, dude that is what I was worried about,” Hannibal says.
This whole "slippery slope" argument just doesn't land very well for me. Lots of avalanches and nobody got charged. It's almost like those other avalanches didn't hit roads or cause six figures in infrastructure damage. If this has a chilling effect on riders skiing lines that threaten roads and infrastrucutre, maybe that's not such a bad thing.
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10-19-2020, 12:01 PM #107
Skiing above a busy Interstate Highway in a avalanche zone is a dumb idea to begin with
“I have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.”
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10-19-2020, 12:23 PM #108
That crew likes to thread the needle. Watching that video makes me feel even worse for them. Ty knew right then the shit got real. It isn't fun anymore when you realize your idea was a bad one. Back to the days of having to talk to the cops when skating at an illegal spot. We aren't kids anymore...
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10-19-2020, 06:08 PM #109
yeah but
we KNEW we were skating at an illegal spot and there was no way we were going to kill anyone
even if riding that line wasn’t illegal per se, it doesn’t seem like the thing to do, and that doesn’t seem to be the way you go about it
hard for me to judge, not sure how I’d see it as a member of a juryI didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.
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10-19-2020, 06:55 PM #110
I do not think the active wind loading will help their case.
off your knees Louie
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10-19-2020, 07:02 PM #111
But, their tracks would have looked So Rad, for everyone on the interstate.
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10-20-2020, 07:41 AM #112
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10-20-2020, 08:45 AM #113Registered User
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Seems to me CDOT was like, 'those fuckers could have killed an employee of ours and they took out the device we use to keep our employees safe, let's sic the law on them and give them and also the backcountry community a lesson on what not to do'. CDOT may not care if the boarders win or lose, the message of 'don't ski above us' is now loud and clear: even beyond Colorado.
I have to admit I grimaced two seconds into the video seeing the wind loading, that was not a good video to share. I would have shared it though too.
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10-20-2020, 08:52 AM #114
does not look like one at a time from safe zone to safe zone, but we don’t see the whole thing
conversation is painfulI didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.
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10-20-2020, 10:24 AM #115
They aren't on the slope at the same time. They were approaching the roll in at the cornice from the flats above. The lead rider was ski cutting the slope to test stability.
That "Joey" will shred way over your head in real terrain. Unless you are some pro badass.
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10-20-2020, 10:58 AM #116
I don't think anyone disagrees with this statement, including the defendants. The question is whether you should be criminally responsible. A fair resolution to this case would be to dismiss the criminal case and enter a civil order having them agree to pay for the damage that they caused. I don't think they would even argue with that. If I cause an avy and it wipes out a cabin, I assume I would have to pay for that.
I'm defending them from criminal liability but I don't see any defense to civil liability.
Side note, a conviction for Reckless Endangerment could cost them their medical licenses (nurse and md certification does not like assaults and reckless endangerment, on paper, sounds like an assault). I really hope the overzealous prosecutor in this case does not cost them their profession.
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10-20-2020, 11:06 AM #117Registered User
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Lot I agree with in here re:criminal vs civil.
I do wonder about the reckless endangerment charge. I can see some merit in some variety of such a charge. These two knowingly skied a path that was a non-zero avalanche risk (as demonstrated not just by the slide, but their discussion that they were concerned with it) whose runout is clearly full of public infrastructure and a roadway. That's a brazen choice -- reckless? maybe.
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10-20-2020, 11:30 AM #118
Why would that happen? The observations posted that day noted both of the problems the boarders encountered (windslab and persistent slab). We now have compelling evidence that the boarders were aware of both problems and even concerned that it was possible to trigger a slide. Above infrastructure.
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10-20-2020, 12:27 PM #119guy who skis
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I doubt it's being raised by anybody who knows what they're talking about. Courts aren't about to hold NOAA liable for not perfectly forecasting a hurricane, etc. Though in this case the avalanche occurred in about the conditions that CAIC warned it would occur, so the case is even worse.
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10-20-2020, 12:56 PM #120guy who skis
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10-20-2020, 12:58 PM #121
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10-20-2020, 01:45 PM #122
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10-20-2020, 05:26 PM #123
Speaking of not quite apples to apples.
I think this needs to be a major educational moment and Ethan and the CAIC should be right out front banging the drum as loudly as possible.
That avalanches are unpredictable and even experts make mistakes, and all folks traveling in avalanche terrain really REALLY need to consider the run outs and unless they are 100% certain they should worry that people may be in those run outs and make their decisions accordingly. (yeah, that's the same message as every year but it might make a dent for a little while this season with a high profile incident to point at.)
From the footage and comments (thanks for that btw), these guys are not as expert at judging avalanche hazard as they may think they are.I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
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10-20-2020, 05:28 PM #124
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10-20-2020, 06:08 PM #125
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