Covid and your kids

**The SnowShow** · 06-29-2020, 04:33 PM

Camped one night this weekend with my daughter, her good friend that she hadn’t seen in months live, and her father. Tried to keep 6’ apart but I was on them more than him. He didn’t seem to care as much at all, so I was stressed the whole time. At least they were outside the whole time but the other girl kept not getting it and would walk over too close, while talking to me or my daughter. Ugh, I hate this shit. It’s one big mental mind fuck.

**yeahman** · 06-29-2020, 05:59 PM

^^All you can do is try. It's not natural for people, especially kids, to "distance" and have to worry about this shit. Outdoors I really don't think the risk is significant as long as they're not totally in each other's face. If they wanted to go hang out together in the tent, probably not a good idea. Sounds like you did your best to control their interaction without ruining their time together. That's good.

**uglymoney** · 06-29-2020, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Camped one night this weekend with my daughter, her good friend that she hadn’t seen in months live, and her father. Tried to keep 6’ apart but I was on them more than him. He didn’t seem to care as much at all, so I was stressed the whole time. At least they were outside the whole time but the other girl kept not getting it and would walk over too close, while talking to me or my daughter. Ugh, I hate this shit. It’s one big mental mind fuck.

Sounds 95% safe to me. Small #'s. Outside. You still need time×exposure so unless you have an active sneezer/hacker staying mostly apart should do the trick. We had something set up for my daughters best friend and her to do similar with another family that has been faithfully isolating, but then a phone call revealed it was them, aunts uncles fams on and on throwing it all away for the weekend... what the heck? We had to break our daughters heart and change plans.

I think giving them zero exposure to friends is worse than doing mitigated outdoor activities with other like minded fams. Finding those families is tough when a lot of our peeps are involved in baseball/softball on some level which is way, way too much mingling imo. I think this backwards crumbling red state is the only place doing those sports and teams are testing positive as you might expect.

**The SnowShow** · 06-29-2020, 06:37 PM

^^^ Thanks, yeah, they definitely didn’t get in each other’s faces, in the tents, and no coughs/sneezing. I’m sure mentally it helped them both so I’m glad about that.

**bagtagley** · 06-29-2020, 06:48 PM

We needed to get down to SC see my deteriorating mom, and the kids needed to get away. It took a week of hand wringing a few weeks ago to finally decide to do it. Found a house with a pool and decided to squeeze a vacation out of a family trip. Pretty predictably, SC started spiking. We’ve been really concerned but also committed so we just decided to be a safe as possible.

7.5 hours of driving and nobody peed, one stop in BFE for gas only. I’m proud of those little turds, wife included. We brought all food and everything we need, which sucks cause we’re near Charleston and the food is great and going out is what we usually do. Masks outside around the folks. Can’t recommend that enough on a muggy summer day down here.

We went to the beach today. The park looked a bit crowded, but we drove up the island a bit and found a pretty sparse chunk of beach. A couple shell collectors hung around a little too close, but we had plenty of beach and with heat and steady wind I wasn’t too concerned. I feel like we’re doing the right things, but it’s taken a ton of effort.

**uglymoney** · 06-29-2020, 06:52 PM

Nice. My daughter and I drove to Montana and back and never went inside anywhere. Euro style roadside bathroom breaks for the win!

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**Skidog** · 06-30-2020, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by uglymoney

Nice. My daughter and I drove to Montana and back and never went inside anywhere. Euro style roadside bathroom breaks for the win!

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We are seemingly breaking all the "rules" with our kids. Lately there has been a bunch of friend interaction. Sleepovers, etc. All families have been diligent up to this point so my worry level is low.

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**The SnowShow** · 07-01-2020, 07:53 PM

Well, our school (in Denver) just announced they will be focusing on opening full time at the end of August with pivot plans of either hybrid or full online. Really surprised by this. I just think it’s asking for trouble. I thought they would focus on hybrid but like DPS and JeffCo, they’re going all in.

Meanwhile, I saw Yale will not be in-person. Umm, shouldn’t we be following what an Ivy League University is doing?

**funkendrenchman** · 07-06-2020, 11:32 AM

"At least 1,335 people have tested positive from child care facilities in Texas, the state's Department of Health and Human Services reported Monday, citing figures from Friday. Of those infected, 894 were staff members and 441 were children. The cases came from 883 child care facilities that are open in the state, DHHS said."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/healt...ies/index.html

**doebedoe** · 07-06-2020, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by funkendrenchman

"At least 1,335 people have tested positive from child care facilities in Texas, the state's Department of Health and Human Services reported Monday, citing figures from Friday. Of those infected, 894 were staff members and 441 were children. The cases came from 883 child care facilities that are open in the state, DHHS said."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/healt...ies/index.html

Damn, that's crazy. Thanks for posting. Colorado's experience has been very different from CDPHE's data.

**bodywhomper** · 07-12-2020, 11:28 PM

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**gravitylover** · 07-13-2020, 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by bodywhomper

https://morettiphd.wordpress.com/202...ren-this-fall/

Well said.

**muted** · 07-13-2020, 07:45 AM

Wife and I discussed our plan last night: no in-person school for our 1st grader and the 3 year old (she has been going full-time Montessori). We have zero idea if their school will even offer online learning this fall, they have been silent, but either way, they will not go in person. I'm hoping if we change our mind, they will let the 1st grader in, maybe closer to T-Day, after they prove their yet-to-be-announced system is safe. One concern is if we don't sign up for school, we lose our spots and when this thing blows over we have to pick a new school that's not conveniently 3 blocks from our house. or the school goes bankrupt because of all this.

Our babysitter is convinced her 5-day a week job nannying for a school system is happening, I'm not. The second she hears it's not opening we are hiring her. it will be costly and she is not a teacher. Beyond that I have to plan a new work schedule to accommodate all this, take less work maybe, and also come up with a Plan B, like a new babysitter or ??

Crazy shit, but we will work it out. Hoping for a vaccine or some sort of good news in the spring about all this, as our plan is not sustainable as a long term plan. What's everyone's else's plans?

**::: :::** · 07-13-2020, 08:20 AM

We’re likely doing Connections Academy instead of in-person for our sophomore son.

I listened to an epidemiologist on NPR this weekend who said it is reckless to push kids back into schools before we have a handle on containing this virus. When asked at the end if she would send her kids to school. The tone of her voice as she said “no” was like ‘are you insane?!?’

**Danno** · 07-13-2020, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by bodywhomper

https://morettiphd.wordpress.com/202...ren-this-fall/

good article

**prsboogie** · 07-13-2020, 08:42 AM

Well thought out

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**yeahman** · 07-13-2020, 08:58 AM

Our kids are 9th and 11th grade. If the school is open, they're going and there's no stopping them. They are both ready to wear masks all day and do whatever else it takes. They don't want to stay home and do online school AT ALL.

The crux of the matter is how do you protect the teachers, because without a teacher there's no school. I don't think barriers between individual kids at their desks is practical, but maybe a barrier between the kids and the teacher? Plus masks? Really changes the dynamic though if the teacher can't mingle among the students, but it's not a deal breaker. I'm thinking of re-upping my teaching certificate for this fall because I suspect they are going to need teachers who are willing to accept the risk. It's going to be a huge issue for sure. So many questions at this point and not many answers from our fearless leader, who can only think to threaten educators by yanking much needed funding. What a dickhead.

**Dantheman** · 07-13-2020, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by ::: :::

I listened to an epidemiologist on NPR this weekend who said it is reckless to push kids back into schools before we have a handle on containing this virus. When asked at the end if she would send her kids to school. The tone of her voice as she said “no” was like ‘are you insane?!?’

Counterpoint: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-...id-19-n1233550

My 10 y.o. hated online learning. If school is open, we'll send him.

**Skidog** · 07-13-2020, 10:30 AM

My sons 8th bday was this past weekend. We are doing a small bday party july 18. All families we know and only about 6 kids.

Making a 100foot slip n slide in the backyard. Should be interesting.

**riser4** · 07-13-2020, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Skidog

My sons 8th bday was this past weekend. We are doing a small bday party july 18. All families we know and only about 6 kids.

Making a 100foot slip n slide in the backyard. Should be interesting.

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**Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo** · 07-13-2020, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

Counterpoint: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-...id-19-n1233550

My 10 y.o. hated online learning. If school is open, we'll send him.

American Association of Pediatrics official stance is to have kids present in school this fall when and where possible. They do acknowledge that this may be in conflict with CDC recommendations but their position is what they think is best for kids, not necessarily teachers or society at large.

My 6 and 9yo girls are already free-range kids as much as humanly possibly and they will going on 6 months of that by the time September rolls around. They are anxious to see their friends and teachers again and need an excuse to bath and brush their hair everyday so they'll be in school if possible. I don't want to even imagine how miserable we would all be if we tried to keep them home while other friends where going to school even a few days a week. I'll probably have to start working part time for the fall if they do go totally online and then figure out what to do for the winter since that's my busy season. All the rumors I've heard and the official word from the school district still point to all options on the table so we'll just wait and see.

**::: :::** · 07-13-2020, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

Counterpoint: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-...id-19-n1233550

My 10 y.o. hated online learning. If school is open, we'll send him.

well, it's unfortunately not about whether any of us like it or not...

per the article: "It really shouldn't be a debate of getting kids back to school, but getting kids back to school safely," said Dr. Jennifer Lighter, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at NYU Langone Health in New York.

nothing i've seen yet gives me any confidence we know how to congregate safely yet & schools seem like they will be the grand unifying spread mechanism, even if the kids prove to be durable

the best thing we did when this started was shut down schools

we will be consciously creating outbreaks w/ all levels of school; it seems just crazy imho

it will play out just like the state re-openings & we will all pretend we had no way of knowing...when we know for a fact that we don't yet have any control of the situation

distancing is basically all we have that actually works at the moment & we've grown tired of it; we haven't conquered anything

**Skidog** · 07-13-2020, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by riser3

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Unfortunately I can't find the original product link with the old reviews.

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**The SnowShow** · 07-13-2020, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by ::: :::

well, it's unfortunately not about whether any of us like it or not...

per the article: "It really shouldn't be a debate of getting kids back to school, but getting kids back to school safely," said Dr. Jennifer Lighter, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at NYU Langone Health in New York.

nothing i've seen yet gives me any confidence we know how to congregate safely yet & schools seem like they will be the grand unifying spread mechanism, even if the kids prove to be durable

the best thing we did when this started was shut down schools

we will be consciously creating outbreaks w/ all levels of school; it seems just crazy imho

it will play out just like the state re-openings & we will all pretend we had no way of knowing...when we know for a fact that we don't yet have any control of the situation

distancing is basically all we have that actually works at the moment & we've grown tired of it; we haven't conquered anything

Exactly. Yes, most kids didn’t learn as well or at all via online but what fucking choice do we have. There’s no plan by any of the “leaders”. Just fly blind into the storm and hope to minimize deaths. WTF.

**ncskier** · 07-13-2020, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by yeahman

Our kids are 9th and 11th grade. If the school is open, they're going and there's no stopping them. They are both ready to wear masks all day and do whatever else it takes. They don't want to stay home and do online school AT ALL.

The crux of the matter is how do you protect the teachers, because without a teacher there's no school. I don't think barriers between individual kids at their desks is practical, but maybe a barrier between the kids and the teacher? Plus masks? Really changes the dynamic though if the teacher can't mingle among the students, but it's not a deal breaker. I'm thinking of re-upping my teaching certificate for this fall because I suspect they are going to need teachers who are willing to accept the risk. It's going to be a huge issue for sure. So many questions at this point and not many answers from our fearless leader, who can only think to threaten educators by yanking much needed funding. What a dickhead.

Mine are exact same grades.
My SIL is a principal and even she is concerned that schools are not prepared due to their own choices as well.
She sees her teachers on Instagram all over, beaches, breweries etc. but they claim they are too worried to work. However, Lowe’s, HD groceries put up plexiglass etc and their workers are fine.
The reality is they haven’t missed a check yet.
Even if gym, lunch and extra curricular are cancelled she think 4 hours straight away behind shield for teacher is good and school should have been building them all summer.
She also stated if online only, she is making teachers come in to classroom to broadcast.
One teacher per room is more than safe.
They are complaining about that as well.

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