View Poll Results: What size Kusala do you want/ will 189 work for you?

Voters
30. You may not vote on this poll
  • 186

    12 40.00%
  • 191

    10 33.33%
  • Want or will substitute 189 to make it happen

    16 53.33%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5
Results 101 to 121 of 121
  1. #101
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Posts
    31,641
    Keith and I spent some time talking at Praxis yesterday. I gave him a shitload of carbon fiber I found in my garage, enough for the whole run, along with a couple rolls of the same fiberglass I used to build the Kusalas, to further replication of the ski as it was designed and built. Don't know if he'll be able to offer a transparent topsheet to show the carbon, but the choice between wood veneer and carbon tops would be awesome and using more carbon makes using lighter weight glass possible. Keith was hesitant about only charging $750 but my donation of materials to the cause keeps the price at $750. Tip height will be increased by only 5 mm to maintain that surfy pivot action that Lindahl talks about. I'll be there when the first pair pops out of the oven to look them over. Very fucking stoked.

  2. #102
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    PNW
    Posts
    5,581
    Word.

    Any talk of UL core option? I can understand wanting to keep the process simple by offering only the enduro, but I'm more interested in this ski for dedicated pow touring.
    life ain't guaranteed, love your people while you can

  3. #103
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Location
    SLC, Utah
    Posts
    679
    +1 on the UL layup. I would get this as a fully dedicated pow touring ski. Looks fucking sweet!!

  4. #104
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Golden, CO
    Posts
    1,990
    "5++ flex" ?

    Sounds not soft!
    Last edited by N1CK.; 08-26-2020 at 02:36 PM.

  5. #105
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    In the shadow of the wasatch
    Posts
    3,720
    Quote Originally Posted by lucknau View Post
    Prefer 191, 189, or 186, in that order.
    Yes

    But I've lost a couple Lbows so maybe 189 would work
    Bunny Don't Surf

    Have you seen a one armed man around here?

  6. #106
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    ?
    Posts
    6,637
    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    Word.

    Any talk of UL core option? I can understand wanting to keep the process simple by offering only the enduro, but I'm more interested in this ski for dedicated pow touring.
    FWIW, my dedicated pow touring skis are an enduro/carbon/veneer build(well, they will be when Keith ships them). But I also save weight by being happy with flex 3 for a powder touring ski.
    I remember a bottomless freedom...

  7. #107
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    PNW
    Posts
    5,581
    I worry that the dimensions of this ski will accentuate the difference in core mass. My enduro/veneer Lhasas are 2150g/ea iirc... tolerable for the travel role they were purchased to fill, but too heavy for a touring ski. Kusalas are fatter, and this version is nearly as long. I bet this batch will be 2300g w/ enduro. My hope for an UL would be in the 1900g range maybe.

    Part of my, ahem, problem, is that the only hole in the quiver is the fat & light tourer, which is rarely needed out here.
    life ain't guaranteed, love your people while you can

  8. #108
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Posts
    31,641
    You guys might want to send Keith a message on the UL core. In talking about it he said the paulonia presses different than the other woods. The hybrid Kusalas I made weighed in around 2400 g per ski.

  9. #109
    Join Date
    Jun 2018
    Location
    Portland, OR
    Posts
    808
    Should there be a new thread for these now that they’re up for preorder? The title of this one might be a bit misleading to latecomers and people who already weighed in and moved on.

  10. #110
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Posts
    31,641
    Yes, you're right lucknau.

  11. #111
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    431
    I am curious why such a stiff flex (Flex 5) was selected for a pow ski. I am under the impression that pow skis are usually softer. What's the benefit for making a pow ski so stiff? My GPO's are flex 4, which I like.

  12. #112
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    Boston
    Posts
    3,442

    Revised Kusala Size Poll

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_pretzel View Post
    Order placed
    Looking forward to your take on them.

  13. #113
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    idaho panhandle!
    Posts
    7,875
    Quote Originally Posted by RiderX View Post
    I am curious why such a stiff flex (Flex 5) was selected for a pow ski. I am under the impression that pow skis are usually softer. What's the benefit for making a pow ski so stiff? My GPO's are flex 4, which I like.
    Reverse pow shapes such as these don’t rely as much on tip flex to get them to plane up but rather on the shape. The stiffer flex allows them to slice through inconsistencies in snow without out issue to the rider or deflection. It also won’t fold the tip which can bring the ski into a smaller turn radius which is not a good thing at speed in pow resulting in a high side.

  14. #114
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    1,683
    ^^^ Yup. This guy knows his stuff.

  15. #115
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Posts
    31,641
    The planing beats plowing.

  16. #116
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    idaho panhandle!
    Posts
    7,875
    Quote Originally Posted by splat View Post
    The planing beats plowing.
    True story.

  17. #117
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    431
    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Reverse pow shapes such as these don’t rely as much on tip flex to get them to plane up but rather on the shape. The stiffer flex allows them to slice through inconsistencies in snow without out issue to the rider or deflection. It also won’t fold the tip which can bring the ski into a smaller turn radius which is not a good thing at speed in pow resulting in a high side.
    Thanks for the explanation. After posting the question, I found an old thread from 2011 discussing soft versus stiff powder skis. Next time, I will try to read first then post. Anyway, your post is a nice succinct summary of the thread.

  18. #118
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Zurich, Switzerland
    Posts
    5,649
    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Reverse pow shapes such as these don’t rely as much on tip flex to get them to plane up but rather on the shape. The stiffer flex allows them to slice through inconsistencies in snow without out issue to the rider or deflection. It also won’t fold the tip which can bring the ski into a smaller turn radius which is not a good thing at speed in pow resulting in a high side.
    This. Absolutely 100% this. Plus... they stomp cliffs like mad. 4FRNT has a video about this somewhere from the first year they had the Renegade. Sterbenz talks about why the stiffer flex on the Renegade, and Hoji is sitting there nodding along. I used to have a link for it, but I can't seem to find it anymore. It was on their website and they had a video about each of the skis describing the design.

  19. #119
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    idaho panhandle!
    Posts
    7,875
    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    This. Absolutely 100% this. Plus... they stomp cliffs like mad. 4FRNT has a video about this somewhere from the first year they had the Renegade. Sterbenz talks about why the stiffer flex on the Renegade, and Hoji is sitting there nodding along. I used to have a link for it, but I can't seem to find it anymore. It was on their website and they had a video about each of the skis describing the design.
    Sent you a PM about a different topic.

  20. #120
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Zurich, Switzerland
    Posts
    5,649
    We were in Zermatt for the weekend and I spotted this in the basement of the North Wall, it's a newer place, I think, so it was awesome to see.
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	33f8e987-0870-41d6-96bd-d30c43375213.jpg 
Views:	28 
Size:	385.0 KB 
ID:	340193

  21. #121
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Posts
    31,641
    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    We were in Zermatt for the weekend and I spotted this in the basement of the North Wall, it's a newer place, I think, so it was awesome to see.
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	33f8e987-0870-41d6-96bd-d30c43375213.jpg 
Views:	28 
Size:	385.0 KB 
ID:	340193

    HA!!!!! It was on the way to Zermatt from Geneva, in Bern, that I found FKNA as graffiti on the arches on the main street of town.
    So fitting you saw that in Zermatt.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •