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Thread: Ahmaud Arbery
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11-29-2021, 02:34 PM #751
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11-29-2021, 02:38 PM #752
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11-29-2021, 02:42 PM #753
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11-29-2021, 03:07 PM #754
Our city council is working to add another division to law enforcement staffed with licensed psychiatrists, psychologists, and social workers.. And no, they will NOT be "defunding" or replacing the police. And no, they won't be going on calls to potentially volatile situations totally unarmed. They will go WITH regular armed LEOs as an additional asset to help defuse situations, domestic matters, reports of people acting sketchy, etc. No doubt there will be pushback, cops not wanting to have to have another authority on site who can ask that they stand down rather than going in guns blazing. But, it is worth the effort to make incremental changes that may end up making the LEOs job easier and more rewarding saving more lives and seeing people at rock bottom turning it around rather than dying for acting stupid..
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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11-29-2021, 03:17 PM #755
My wife did crisis for mental health in our county 25 years ago. They wouldn't go to any houses without the Sheriff. It was a win win for everyone. Nobody got shot. My wife didn't get harmed. And she helped quite a few people that were having a bad day. And whenever they transported someone who needed locked psychiatric inpatient care, they had mental health (my wife) along for the ride. This is rural VT. Unfortunately some other parts of Vermont have had some bad situations since then where LE shot first, asked questions later. They needed my wife along to defuse the situation. She still says that if she was doing it today, she would want LE along.
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11-29-2021, 05:01 PM #756
They’re all the same!
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11-29-2021, 05:22 PM #757
To me, this always seemed practical and sensible. There will be cultural resistance but I hope to see more of these take root.
Back in my younger and more impressionable days, I used to hang out with a bunch of douchebag cops. They'd all complain that the vast majority of their calls were dealing with some sort of domestic dispute and typically fueled by alcohol. To use their words, these people just needed a baby sitter and someone to tell them to calm the fuck down. They'd lament not getting time for real criminals and real crime... so win, win?
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11-29-2021, 05:28 PM #758
Most states allow you to use deadly force to stop serious felonies you know the kind that people can be injured or killed, defending your property or neighborhood would seem to fall into the misdemeanor category, you can't "stop" a guy just based on suspicion like the McMicheals did. It's easy to vilify someone based on their appearance or their current situation in life like being homeless and an addict but nobody wants to actually try to help them and treat them like human beings. You keep going on about being treated badly based solely on your race but I'm starting to get the impression it's has other contributing factors...like maybe you were acting like an asshole
“I have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.”
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11-29-2021, 05:33 PM #759
Careful now...
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11-29-2021, 06:48 PM #760
Ahmaud Arbery
Listening to an interesting piece on NPR about how the prosecution focused on “assumptions and driveway decisions” rather than paint this as a racial bias motivated crime
Just interesting from a CJ strategy perspective at minimum. Prolly discussed here already sorry I didn’t really follow the coverage.
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11-29-2021, 08:18 PM #761
Yeti - is this the case?
https://www.uppermichiganssource.com...suspect-found/
Sounds like the guy was mentally ill, if they are requiring a competency hearing. In the photos he looks pretty put together for a homeless guy
This^^^
In our society you can’t throw a mentally ill person in jail or mental institution unless there is good evidence - before the fact - that s/he’s a danger to self or others. Gonna guess in this case that he didn’t present that way when the cops interviewed him before the killing.
Damn sad situation
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11-30-2021, 08:50 AM #762Registered User
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11-30-2021, 09:49 AM #763
Right, well, in my view, that’s likely why a retired cop homeowner who’s had a gun stolen in a burglary in a neighborhood experiencing repeated burglaries would try to stop a suspicious person and keep him from leaving until police get there to at least take a name so they have someone to investigate if the burglaries continue.
You all, and I guess more or less everyone in general except dumbass me, agree to call that “false imprisonment”, a felony, so that when the guy charges at Dipshit Jr and tries to take his weapon he’s (I guess?) now legally unjustified in defending himself, so he’s supposed to (I guess?) just go passive and let the falsely imprisoned burglary suspect beat him up and take the weapon. I find that totally absurd.
I think that makes it obvious that, functionally, anyone can prowl around and burglarize any place with a long police response time and if anyone stops you, falsely imprisoning you, they’re committing a felony, and if they don’t stop you and instead just call police, you just run away. I find that totally absurd.
You think the shooting shouldn’t have happened because stopping a burglary suspect is false imprisonment, so burglars get a free pass anywhere with a long response time. People who live there should just accept the legal outcome here: their property is now a free-for-all for anyone who can run away faster than the police can respond. I find that totally absurd.
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11-30-2021, 09:57 AM #764
What I find absurd is how far all this keeps going over your head
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11-30-2021, 10:23 AM #765
Arbery wasn’t a burglary suspect. The gun stolen from a car wasn’t burglary. Do you know what burglary is? There were no burglaries reported in the neighborhood, only two thefts from unlocked cars, in both cases the items reported stolen were firearms. The McMichaels admitted that they didn’t know if Arbery had done anything. They saw a black man running through the neighborhood and thought they would pursue and detain him. Nothing about this is justifiable or supports your narrative.
You lament being treated this way yourself but seem okay with any civilian detaining a random stranger based on a hunch.
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11-30-2021, 10:34 AM #766
IAS doesn’t seem able to think objectively with his brain. His thoughts are extremely biased based on his own subjective emotions and his “whoa is me” victim mentality.
Pretty comical at this point.
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11-30-2021, 10:35 AM #767
Based on IAS's POV, anyone who reads nextdoor.com should be within their rights to detain anyone at any time. I mean, every day I read about crimes on nextdoor, in my neighborhood or nearby ones. And anyone I don't know walking or jogging through my neighborhood is inherently suspicious and a potential thief, right? Especially if they are black, apparently. So I should be able to grab my glock and make them stick around until the police can come and properly question them. But this case says otherwise, and that's a damn shame.
Good lord, how can you not see how fucked up that is? To think any part of that is ok?"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
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"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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11-30-2021, 10:40 AM #768
About the car getting broken into and the gun stolen….the police officers testimony….
In testimony, Rash then told the court he had responded about two months before - on Dec. 7, 2020 - to an entering auto call at the neighboring house.
"Did they have video from the front of their house?" prosecutor Linda Dunikoski asked the officer.
"Yes ma'am."
"And did you watch that video?"
"Yes ma'am."
"And what was the person who went into their Jeep and stole their guns? White, Black, Hispanic, Asian?"
"Based on the video it appeared to be a white male““I have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.”
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11-30-2021, 10:44 AM #769
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11-30-2021, 10:53 AM #770
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11-30-2021, 11:01 AM #771
About 20 years ago I found a guy on ebay who would trade a Subaru my work truck, so I drove to Jackson MS and did the deal. The car was a piece of shit, and it overheated right away. This sleazy used car dealer and I took the car across town to this shop. Riding back with him, all these areas looked the same to me, but you’d go from all white people to all black people and back and forth as we went through town. He had put this pistol on the console, which was disconcerting, and he’d kind of hover around it and drive really aggressive in the black neighborhoods, which again…seemed totally weird and made me kind of nervous, like wtf is this guy so scared about, is this how people live here?
Eventually I got out of there, and the car started running hot again near Shreveport. So I got a cheap room and brought the car to a dealership and spent a week on foot in Shreveport. This was still when you’d look at the map in a phone book and jot down directions on scratch paper, so I’m walking back to the motel and it’s the same segregation thing as Jackson, everything looks the same except all black, then all white, back and forth.
On my hike back I stopped in this little store to get a coffee, and I was just smoking outside with my coffee, thinking about life and my broken down car and whatever, and this nice black guy comes over and starts with something like, basically, what are you doing here…so I explain, and I think it must have been pretty clear I wasn’t from there. So he nicely kind of explains this insane segregation, and that I’m walking through an area, I’m at a store white people don’t go, and he kinda lines me out on where I needed to walk to, I guess, avoid racial problems or whatever. I was kind of amazed, and really thankful to have met the right guy at the right time, and also pretty grossed out by that whole dynamic. I guess I hadn’t realized it was so strict like that, but at least there, they immediately saw me and were like wtf is this white guy doing here. I was left kind of uneasy about that whole trip.
Years later I delivered a motorcycle to a guy in Atlanta. I meet this buyer at a gas station, all black folks…I’m thinking is this like Jackson or Meridian or Shreveport where I shouldn’t be here and people are going to notice. Nope, no big deal, head off to guy’s house, everything’s mixed, everybody was nice, no weird racial stuff at all.
Once, 10ish years ago, in rural Arkansas kinda northwest of Memphis, I saw this real kkk-looking lifted truck with a bunch of big and small confederate stickers and gun stickers and stuff all over it. I got closer at this intersection and it was a black guy in a cowboy hat driving it. It was a real moment of complete confusion: I totally don’t get the south, I’m never going to get it, people are complicated, shit’s weird, I don’t get it.
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11-30-2021, 11:12 AM #772
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11-30-2021, 11:12 AM #773
" ...I meet this buyer at a gas station, all black folks..." ".... and this nice black guy comes over ...."
"... it was a black guy in a cowboy hat...."
You miss Aunt Jemima don't you?“I have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.”
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11-30-2021, 11:12 AM #774
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11-30-2021, 11:22 AM #775
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