NFL 2020/2021

[I've seen black diamonds!]

romo and ryan were both had/have better careers but cam had a better prime.

That is not true, unless Cam's prime is only 2015. Actually, I guess it is true. Cam's prime was one season.

[Danno]

And he's the only one who was never a legit MVP candidate. Eli received zero MVP votes in his career. His career was to Joe Flacco than an all-time great.

Absolutely. Ryan and Romo and Cam were absolutely better QBs than Eli at their peaks. I'm not arguing that. But when one guy has 2 rings and 2 SB MVPs and the other guys have zero, that's not insignificant, that's all I'm saying.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

But when one guy has 2 rings and 2 SB MVPs and the other guys have zero, that's not insignificant, that's all I'm saying.

And that's why I compare him to Edelman, whose post season production is among the best of all time at his position: 19 games, 118 catches, 1,422 yards, 7 TDs. His best SB catches weren't even in the one where he won MVP:





(Never mind that "concussion" title on the second one. He got popped for sure, but there is an angle showing that Kam Chancellor hit him clean on the shoulder. He gets up slow at the end because he got a hip pointer on a punt return earlier in the game.)

I think putting Edelman or Eli in the HOF would be like putting Kirk Gibson or Bobby Thompson in the MLB HOF. They were are all good players who were involved in some of the most memorable post season heroics. But take away those heroics and they are aren't even borderline HOFers. Even though Eli was a prolific thrower of interceptions and an all-time average QB, he seems to get a lot of HOF support. I think sending the Patriots to 18-1 is a big part of that (even though the D deserves more credit for the win, just like Tampa's in last season's SB). As was being a member of the Manning family, and playing for a big market team.

[Sirshredalot]

Absolutely. Ryan and Romo and Cam were absolutely better QBs than Eli at their peaks. I'm not arguing that. But when one guy has 2 rings and 2 SB MVPs and the other guys have zero, that's not insignificant, that's all I'm saying.

I mean, yes it is. Tom Coughlin probably belongs in the Hall of Fame. Eli Manning sucks. He's white Jameis Winston. But who fucking cares about the football hall of fame?

New point of debate: is Edelman a better QB than Eli Manning. I say yes.

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[BmillsSkier]

Hines Ward, good as he was, was a total dick and cheap shot artist.

Fuck him.

[stealurface831]

Hines Ward, good as he was, was a total dick and cheap shot artist.

Fuck him.

yeah, fuck that noise.

[detrusor]

No way Cam is a HOF candidate. One great year, bunch of stats


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[stealurface831]

No way Cam is a HOF candidate. One great year, bunch of stats


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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

he is no shoo in but he has a chance. last year hurt him but i feel a resurgence this season.

[BmillsSkier]

Clowney to the Browns.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...0m-source-says

If he's healthy that will be one fun pass rush with Myles Garrett.

This is interesting, but for different reasons than in years past:

"The Browns now have three of the past seven No. 1 overall draft picks on their roster, including quarterback Baker Mayfield."

[ticketchecker]

Brownies will be in the mix this year


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[BmillsSkier]

Brownies will be in the mix this year


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Man I hope so.

[EWG]

Clowney to the Browns.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...0m-source-says

If he's healthy that will be one fun pass rush with Myles Garrett.

This is interesting, but for different reasons than in years past:

"The Browns now have three of the past seven No. 1 overall draft picks on their roster, including quarterback Baker Mayfield."

Clowney supposedly grades out great against the run. Good tandem with Garrett. I like that this means they all of a sudden have no huge defensive holes. Which means the draft becomes wide open

[hatchgreenchile]

Clowney has been coasting since that Michigan hit in 2013. One of the most overhyped players of this era.

[liv2ski]

Man I hope so.

Your funny BM's. And I thought I had problems being a Niner's fan. Hopefully we are both happy (er) next season.

[EWG]

Clowney has been coasting since that Michigan hit in 2013. One of the most overhyped players of this era.

Thanks for the ray of fucking sunshine.

[stealurface831]

Clowney has been coasting since that Michigan hit in 2013. One of the most overhyped players of this era.

what a hit it was though

[BmillsSkier]

Clowney has been coasting since that Michigan hit in 2013. One of the most overhyped players of this era.

Says he’s 5th in the league for something about pass rush efficiency. Garrett is 3rd.

[BmillsSkier]

Thanks for the ray of fucking sunshine.

We should be used to this.

what a hit it was though

As a Michigan fan, that hit hurt me.

[EWG]

what a hit it was though

Mother of God. I had never seen that.

[stealurface831]

As a Michigan fan, that hit hurt me.

just remember, nothing can hurt you more than jim harbaugh.

[BmillsSkier]

just remember, nothing can hurt you more than jim harbaugh.

Allow me to sit you down and tell you a story of Rich Rodriguez. And the dark years that followed 40 years of tranquility called the Schembechler-Carr era.

[cinnepa]

Mother of God. I had never seen that.

"he doesn't hit that hard - Carson Wentz"

[BmillsSkier]

"he doesn't hit that hard - Carson Wentz"

Carson Wentz is like a more generous Mitchell Trubisky.

[Cruiser]

Bridgewater's a donkey

[BmillsSkier]

For a 6th rounder. Congratulations on all your success Teddy. Ooof.