NFL 2020/2021

**jackstraw** · 10-06-2020, 07:41 AM

The pats laid an egg, but the Chiefs are just not that good. They played our 3rd and 4th string qb and were not impressive.

**Timberridge** · 10-06-2020, 08:14 AM

Who's the second string QB, Cam?

**stealurface831** · 10-06-2020, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by jackstraw

The pats laid an egg, but the Chiefs are just not that good. They played our 3rd and 4th string qb and were not impressive.

Completely agree. It is hard to knock the qb of a 4-0 team but Mahomes hasn't been his MVP self and their ability to establish the ground game has been questionable.
This season has been such a mixed bag thus far. I don't know what to make of anything. Nothing has shocked me but the volatility within the standings is palpable. The 49ers are 2-2, Houston is 0-4, and the Colts are 3-1? I guess it all makes sense and is perfectly reasonable but it all feels wrong. I haven't been captivated by games like I normally am. Such is the year 2020.

**stealurface831** · 10-06-2020, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Timberridge

Who's the second string QB, Cam?

Cam is their starter, through and through, but has COVID and is out another week or so. He looked GOOD in his first 3 starts. Put his name in the MVP conversation. Probably a lock for Comeback POTY.

**Timberridge** · 10-06-2020, 08:36 AM

Rumor has it Texans are looking at McDaniels.

**BmillsSkier** · 10-06-2020, 08:36 AM

Cam for Comeback Player of the Year? It's early, but Baker says hold my beer...

**stealurface831** · 10-06-2020, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Cam for Comeback Player of the Year? It's early, but Baker says hold my beer...

Baker? No way. I get that he is having a great season but this is what, his third year? I've always felt that Comeback POTY is reserved for guys who have: 1, lost their starting job and moved on to another team, or 2, suffered a season-ending injury. Cam fits both bills.

**jackstraw** · 10-06-2020, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Timberridge

Who's the second string QB, Cam?

Yes. Brady is 1st, but they fucked that all up.

**Timberridge** · 10-06-2020, 09:20 AM

You're gonna have to let this go and embrace the future.

**stealurface831** · 10-06-2020, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by jackstraw

Yes. Brady is 1st, but they fucked that all up.

Thus far, his tenure with the Bucs has reaffirmed my belief that he is a talented qb with above-average poise and clutch factor, but ultimately the product of a system. Age hit and Belichick looked to the future. He landed Cam, an experienced, though inconsistent, former MVP. I truly believe that he is the most physically gifted qb to ever play the game, though his play hasn't always reflected it. I think it was the right move by the Pats.

**DBdude** · 10-06-2020, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Cam for Comeback Player of the Year? It's early, but Baker says hold my beer...

as a retired champion beer can shot gunner ( upstate NY champ 1982 ) i admire and congratulate Baker on the no swiss army knife for the making the opening by using his teeth.

my only excuse in not pioneering this evolution of the sport is that beer cans where more substantial in my day.

Baker, this ones for you - big thumbs up - well done good sir

**Danno** · 10-06-2020, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by stealurface831

Baker? No way. I get that he is having a great season but this is what, his third year? I've always felt that Comeback POTY is reserved for guys who have: 1, lost their starting job and moved on to another team, or 2, suffered a season-ending injury. Cam fits both bills.

to get Comeback POTY, don't you have to have been good at some point earlier in your career? Baker may be in the running for a "most improved" like the NBA has, but he has hit nothing to come back to.

**BmillsSkier** · 10-06-2020, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by DBdude

as a retired champion beer can shot gunner ( upstate NY champ 1982 ) i admire and congratulate Baker on the no swiss army knife for the making the opening by using his teeth.

my only excuse in not pioneering this evolution of the sport is that beer cans where more substantial in my day.

Baker, this ones for you - big thumbs up - well done good sir

Holy shit, Upstate NY division!?!? That’s some serious hardware. Kudos, sir.

Originally Posted by Danno

to get Comeback POTY, don't you have to have been good at some point earlier in your career? Baker may be in the running for a "most improved" like the NBA has, but he has hit nothing to come back to.

Nothing to come back to? Um, how about rookie TD record (in just 13 games) and savior of the Franchise?

**jackstraw** · 10-06-2020, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Timberridge

You're gonna have to let this go and embrace the future.

I jest. I really don't give a shit. I like to watch the Pats play, but beyond that, I don't really care. Doesn't affect my life whatsoever. With that said, Brady is still the best QB to give us a chance at winning. We don't have his long-term replacement that I can see?

**Timberridge** · 10-06-2020, 10:42 AM

If you're not high on Cam, after the season is over and Jets draft their next QB, you will be able to pick up Darnold for a lobster roll and a handshake. A brief time in the "system" will be all he needs to become a SB winning QB.

**From_the_NEK** · 10-06-2020, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Timberridge

If you're not high on Cam, after the season is over and Jets draft their next QB, you will be able to pick up Darnold for a lobster roll and a <Fistbump>. A brief time in the "system" will be all he needs to become a SB winning QB.

FIFY. Handshakes are no longer allowed in this COVID world.

**Timberridge** · 10-06-2020, 11:54 AM

You can tackle someone, but no handshakes?

**DBdude** · 10-06-2020, 11:59 AM

stop being rational

**smartyiak** · 10-06-2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by jackstraw

The pats laid an egg, but the Chiefs are just not that good. They played our 3rd and 4th string qb and were not impressive.

Originally Posted by stealurface831

Completely agree. It is hard to knock the qb of a 4-0 team but Mahomes hasn't been his MVP self and their ability to establish the ground game has been questionable.
This season has been such a mixed bag thus far. I don't know what to make of anything. Nothing has shocked me but the volatility within the standings is palpable. The 49ers are 2-2, Houston is 0-4, and the Colts are 3-1? I guess it all makes sense and is perfectly reasonable but it all feels wrong. I haven't been captivated by games like I normally am. Such is the year 2020.

These are jokes, right? Maybe you missed the game against the Ravens? That was BIG and Mahomes was lights out...this was a let-down game to begin with, then take out Cam. The Chefs were taking the night off.

And, I love Cam, but he is not the future. He is a stop-gap. He's got as much mileage as old man Brady...by virtue of getting crushed multiple times a game. He'll be a solid starter for a year or two until BB retires or they can get a new guy in. I hope I'm wrong b/c I think he was younger, he was amazing, but I don't think I am.

**stealurface831** · 10-06-2020, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

to get Comeback POTY, don't you have to have been good at some point earlier in your career? Baker may be in the running for a "most improved" like the NBA has, but he has hit nothing to come back to.

agreed. the potential must first be realized this season to some degree. then, he will need to start hot next season,
collapse around week five, and get benched in favor of Case Keenum, who will lead the Browns to a finish two or three games above .500 but get knocked out in the divisional. At that point, they will decline his option for 2022 and he will be signed in free-agency to back up Jacoby Brissett who will replace the aging Phillip Rivers after he announces his retirement. Brissett will down with an MCL tear in the second preseason game. Baker will rise to the occasion and earn a Pro Bowl nod, securing him Comeback POTY. He will lead the Colts to a Wild Card appearance where they are obliterated by the Jaguars led by star sophomore Trevor Lawrence.

**I've seen black diamonds!** · 10-06-2020, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Baker says hold my beer...

How can you be the comeback player of the year if you were never any good in the first place?

**I've seen black diamonds!** · 10-06-2020, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by smartyiak

These are jokes, right? Maybe you missed the game against the Ravens? That was BIG and Mahomes was lights out...this was a let-down game to begin with, then take out Cam. The Chefs were taking the night off.

And, I love Cam, but he is not the future. He is a stop-gap. He's got as much mileage as old man Brady...by virtue of getting crushed multiple times a game. He'll be a solid starter for a year or two until BB retires or they can get a new guy in. I hope I'm wrong b/c I think he was younger, he was amazing, but I don't think I am.

Exactly. I'll add this: Pats D is still very good, especially their DBs. They match up better against that offense than anyone. In three their previous meetings the Pats D made Mahomes look down right bad in the first half, until he started working his magic after halftime. In this game Reid knew he could be conservative on O since the Pats were getting horrendous QB play.

Also it was a weird week in which every guy in both locker rooms was wondering if they were infected. They weren't sure if the game would happen until game day. I wouldn't read too much into this one. Especially since the Chiefs crushed Baltimore the week before.

**stealurface831** · 10-06-2020, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by smartyiak

And, I love Cam, but he is not the future. He is a stop-gap. He's got as much mileage as old man Brady...by virtue of getting crushed multiple times a game. He'll be a solid starter for a year or two until BB retires or they can get a new guy in. I hope I'm wrong b/c I think he was younger, he was amazing, but I don't think I am.

When White gets back, Cam will have his check-down option again. When Michel is healthy, he and Damien Harris will be a great 1-2 combo. The defense is again stingy, though not like a year ago. The offensive fat boys are solid, especially in their passblocks. The defensive trenches could improve but I think Winovich will emerge as a star. I see a great battle for the division in store against the Bills.

**stealurface831** · 10-06-2020, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!

Exactly. I'll add this: Pats D is still very good, especially their DBs. They match up better against that offense than anyone. In three their previous meetings the Pats D made Mahomes look down right bad in the first half, until he started working his magic after halftime. In this game Reid knew he could be conservative on O since the Pats were getting horrendous QB play.

Also it was a weird week in which every guy in both locker rooms was wondering if they were infected. They weren't sure if the game would happen until game day. I wouldn't read too much into this one. Especially since the Chiefs crushed Baltimore the week before.

Fair points. Garbage time certainly has hindered his performances. I concede.