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  1. #301
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    The black and white thinking of the virtue signaler/ social shamer.

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    I usually believe in a more nuanced perspective but these are different times. Look around. If you want to get back to normal ASAP everyone needs to stay at home. We havenít even hit the tip of the iceberg with this thing. Was talking with a friend of mine who is lives outside of Venice Italy and three friends in Seville Spain. Trust me you donít want to be living like they are. And the more we continue to go around as if this isnít our problem the worse it will be and the longer it will take to get back to normal. This is actually a pretty black and white situation. Either youíre for the greater good or youíre a selfish fucktard. Simple and straight forward as that

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    It's a big country you don't need to be in a cabin in Alaska to isolate and be away from people.

    Shit we used to get Amazon packages outside Prudhoe Bay when I worked up there. I was surrounded by water and we had polar bears around. I still went outside to recreate. Stay home my ass. Stay in the city is more like it. Cities are filthy places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    What statistics are you waiting for? As I've said half a dozen times it takes a lot of PPE to treat a broken leg. There was an ER doc on the TV last night who had to work with no PPE. None. How many of those do you want to see before you're satisfied. Are you waiting for the first ski injury that lies for 2 days in the ER hall because there's no place to put them. The orthopedist that can't help take care of covid patients because she's taking care of you. The first SAR person that test positive and infects 5 others? None of that stuff, except the ER doc has happend yet, It will. Everyone is on Trump for not reacting until shit got bad. Aren't you doing the same thing--waiting for shit to get bad. The only way to get ahead of this thing is to think ahead of it. So think.
    Our hospital said that we were averaging about 100,000 used masks per day for the month of March. Not sure if that number was for our hospital alone (~800 beds) or if they were including all of our clinics + other hospitals in our system. In either case, that number was much larger than I expected, especially since we're in Texas as opposed to one of the crisis areas.

    For comparison, they said we averaged about 25,000 masks per day in January, and 15,000 masks per day in November. 6-fold increase in usage, and that's despite all of the mask rationing and conservation that we usually don't do.

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    I feel a bit guilty because it's taken me a little while. I started out more gray on this, getting in last chairs at the local hill before they shut, convincing myself that it was OK even though my gut was saying this doesn't feel 100% right. Because I selfishly wanted to get another day in.

    3 weeks ago I shifted to a more black and white approach following guidance and common sense. Not preaching, just sharing the evolution. Go for a short run from my house? sure, as long as I can stay away from others. Mellow road ride from the house focused on climbing neighborhood hills for fitness? for now, yes... a lot safer with the almost non-existent traffic, and currently deemed ok by our governor's guidance. Tame xc mountain bike from my house? No, because the trails are crowded, hard to practice social distancing on single track and increased chance of a dumb accident and resulting injury. Backcountry ski? nope, I have to drive 40 minutes, and again the chance of a dumb accident. I dunno about others here, but I have never ended up the ER from getting gnar, but I have been there two times in the last 3 years from stupid unexpected shit... torn thumb ligaments from reading a stupid wet root wrong, bruised kidney/cracked rib from losing traction CLIMBING and toppling down a ravine impacting a rock. It's bigger than us now. I've read enough terrifying first person accounts of our fearless healthcare workers on the front line to last me a lifetime. This shit is real. Do the right thing. Someone said what would you do if you were injured? You'd sack the fuck up and just chill out because you knew it was in YOUR best interest to do so. For all of us... YOUR needs to become OUR now.
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  6. #306
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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    It's a big country you don't need to be in a cabin in Alaska to isolate and be away from people.

    Shit we used to get Amazon packages outside Prudhoe Bay when I worked up there. I was surrounded by water and we had polar bears around. I still went outside to recreate. Stay home my ass. Stay in the city is more like it. Cities are filthy places.
    Apples to oranges. A polar bear is only dangerous to those in close proximity. This virus is dangerous to all. If one wants to gamble with a bear that will generally only affect them. This is a whole different situation. In the current situation, everything you do well have an effect on everyone else. Open your eyes. Be selflessness!

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    Keep your chin up. I'm sure it will be fine. We are pretty self sufficient out here in the woods.

    Say goodbye to hand shaking at meetings, elevators, mass transit without masks, and Costco on the weekends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    Keep your chin up. I'm sure it will be fine. We are pretty self sufficient out here in the woods.

    Say goodbye to hand shaking at meetings, elevators, mass transit without masks, and Costco on the weekends.
    Can we stop sending you food and toilet paper? Running low down here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Can we stop sending you food and toilet paper? Running low down here.
    Sure thing. All stocked up and the farmer's markets open soon enough.

    We depend too much on a government that failed us over and over. We vote for people that trim budgets and don't listen to true experts.

    I'm sure TP is low because of the panic hoarding. We recycle toilet paper here. Just dry in out on the clothes line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mall walker View Post
    and what do you suppose the rate of breaking a leg is per person per hour for bc skiing vs other activities? it's not like we're all breaking legs out there every time we get out. people fall getting into the bathtub too, should we not shower? should the overweight be forced to do some cardio in their homes to reduce the chances of heart attack? I'd wager banning the sale of alcohol would substantially reduce the (rapidly increasing) number of domestic violence calls, but I don't see people calling for that. but the handful of folks who want to do one of the few things remaining to them outside of their homes are suddenly the problem, because they could get hurt? I get it, it's selfish. but lots more things are selfish than just this.

    and the same cadre of folks loudly calling for the banning of all outdoor activity also seem to be the folks calling for an indefinite total lockdown. you wanna get people to agree to stop living their lives for n weeks, you might get some buy in. but just "give up and eventually it'll get better maybe, in the meantime just stay inside though - in 18 months there might even be a vaccine that might work for one of these strands!" is a tough sell. and we haven't even hit the first monthly bill cycle where folks can't make rent, mortgage, electric, etc yet...

    eta: I'd bet you making 1 extra trip/week to the supermarket spreads this disease statistically way more per person than (solo/conservative) bc skiing.
    I agree with most of this... but I honestly think a total lockdown might not be a bad thing. Indefinite is not feasible in the long term but doing it for a defined period of time to let us "catch up" a little could work.

    The thing that bothers me is, like you said, the risk of pursuing outdoor activities is much less than going to the grocery store (necessary) or packing the public transit with people going to non-essential employment.

    If we don't need a total lockdown then me getting outside and stopping at 1 gas station that I wipe down with a sanitizing wipe should be fine.

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