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  1. #1176
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    No early 20 something needs 52k+ a year to survive. The extra 600 a week isn't getting extended either. This concept of no one can ever have financial hardship ever is ridiculous and not based in reality.

    However, that does not shortchange that these lockdowns have to be quite challenging for those with mental health issues for a myriad of other reasons. A lot of mental health practitioners haven't been able to see their patients recently due to said lockdowns even. I hope your daughter gets through this ok and has a bright future ahead of her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    No early 20 something needs 52k+ a year to survive. The extra 600 a week isn't getting extended either. This concept of no one can ever have financial hardship ever is ridiculous and not based in reality.

    However, that does not shortchange that these lockdowns have to be quite challenging for those with mental health issues for a myriad of other reasons. A lot of mental health practitioners haven't been able to see their patients recently due to said lockdowns even. I hope your daughter gets through this ok and has a bright future ahead of her.
    Thanks. What really sucks is that she had finally got to a pretty good spot mentally, able to pay bills, etc. She was cut to about 10hrs/week when everything 1st shut down, didn't want to leave her boss hanging (she was the only employee they kept on I think) and wanted to keep her spot with them because they were gearing up to open a new location that she was going to work at and move into an assistant management position. This was HUGE for her in building her confidence.

    She hasn't been able to qualify for unemployment the last I heard but she wasn't sure why and was looking into it, hopefully that was a glitch because she should be able to qualify but I have never been through the process. I get that people should be able to make it through a few months of hiccups, but there are a lot of people right on the edge through circumstances out of their control and even with unemployment, the psychological hit can be overwhelming for someone like her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3PinGrin View Post
    Wtf are you talking about? I have 2 daughters in their 20s out of work, one with serious mental health issues. How financially stable were you in your early 20s? Think outside of yourself much?
    You specifically said, "paycheck = life".

    Unemployment is a paycheck.

    Mental anguish in general and also from the lockdown is a different situation. Thrown in with a job loss this is affecting many on various levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    No early 20 something needs 52k+ a year to survive. The extra 600 a week isn't getting extended either. This concept of no one can ever have financial hardship ever is ridiculous and not based in reality.

    However, that does not shortchange that these lockdowns have to be quite challenging for those with mental health issues for a myriad of other reasons. A lot of mental health practitioners haven't been able to see their patients recently due to said lockdowns even. I hope your daughter gets through this ok and has a bright future ahead of her.
    It's a problem of scale. If one industry takes a "normal" hit—market conditions change, maybe regulations or overseas competition have an impact as well, etc—you have a relatively small slice of the overall economy impacted. Some percentage of the workers will struggle because they don't have rainy-day funds, some percentage will be okay but curtail spending because (through whatever combination of smart decisions and luck) they have the ability to make it through okay. A lot fewer are going to continue spending at a "normal" rate on things like dining, beer, cell phones, etc., because both the "I"m screwed" crowd and the "ugh, this is going to be tight" crowd is going to be watching their wallets.

    When it happens to the whole economy at once—with something like 20% unemployed, probably a significant chunk more seeing business and retirement income cut, etc—the macroeconomic impact of belt-tightening is huge, and will devastate industries that rely on discretionary spending. The effect snowballs, because it drives either more unemployment or continued unemployment by reducing job openings, as everyone minimizes spending.

    The last time we had unemployment this high, we only got out of the mess with the government doing enough deficit spending enough to bring us to full employment for multiple years. Hopefully we can avoid getting that bad, but thinking that we can spring back quickly—especially when the virus is continuing to have an impact on consumer willingness to visit businesses, employee availability (i.e. sickness), and school / daycare availability—is overly optimistic IMO. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't think we can get back to early-March productivity without significant advancements on managing Covid-19 (testing, treatment, and/or vaccine), and the more income that people don't have available for spending, the more businesses we're going to loose in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    You specifically said, "paycheck = life".

    Unemployment is a paycheck.

    Mental anguish in general and also from the lockdown is a different situation. Thrown in with a job loss this is affecting many on various levels.
    point noted

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    Wtf are you talking about? Have you been paying attention to the unemployment payouts? If you can't survive on 52k for a short period of time you're doing something wrong...like living way beyond your means.
    You know nothing, jackstraw. Many of us have been unable to get a dime out of unemployment yet due to glitches in the matrix or something. Can't get anything but a busy signal the dozen+ times a day I try calling their offices. Also haven't seen any stimulus checks either. LOTS of us fall through the cracks in the system. With lil dictators like our own dumbass mayor, we're not even allowed to work either, despite prospective employers begging them to let us.

    It's tough goddam times for a ton of us. If I'M hard core depressed (when I'm typically a cheery, happy guy), then I can't imagine what true depression sufferers must be going through right now.

    Many of us feel so freaking helpless right now. We WANT to work. Employers might even want to hire us. But they can't so we can't make a buck. I've been getting by via selling everything not chained down. Working so far, but I'm screwed after I run out of stuff to sell.

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    Do you ever think it might not be you vs. the people who have to limit other people working right now in order to stop the spread of disease and maybe the problem is that the richest/most prosperous nation should just have well funded, fully functional social programs that work for everyday people? And maybe, just maybe, demonizing the people who use those programs might just be a way for politicians to divide people and get them to willingly vote against their own interests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinFromSA View Post
    You know nothing, jackstraw. Many of us have been unable to get a dime out of unemployment yet due to glitches in the matrix or something. Can't get anything but a busy signal the dozen+ times a day I try calling their offices. Also haven't seen any stimulus checks either. LOTS of us fall through the cracks in the system. With lil dictators like our own dumbass mayor, we're not even allowed to work either, despite prospective employers begging them to let us.

    It's tough goddam times for a ton of us. If I'M hard core depressed (when I'm typically a cheery, happy guy), then I can't imagine what true depression sufferers must be going through right now.

    Many of us feel so freaking helpless right now. We WANT to work. Employers might even want to hire us. But they can't so we can't make a buck. I've been getting by via selling everything not chained down. Working so far, but I'm screwed after I run out of stuff to sell.

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    Keep voting for asshole republicans and the trump cocksuckers that cut all the social programs they are presented with and it will get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathleenturneroverdrive View Post
    Do you ever think it might not be you vs. the people who have to limit other people working right now in order to stop the spread of disease and maybe the problem is that the richest/most prosperous nation should just have well funded, fully functional social programs that work for everyday people? And maybe, just maybe, demonizing the people who use those programs might just be a way for politicians to divide people and get them to willingly vote against their own interests?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    Keep voting for asshole republicans and the trump cocksuckers that cut all the social programs they are presented with and it will get better.
    Funny how when he's on the other side of it Austin isn't such a big fan of the Hunger Games-style society we've created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Funny how when he's on the other side of it Austin isn't such a big fan of the Hunger Games-style society we've created.
    You'd think it would engender a certain amount of empathy for people that have dealt with this their whole lives.

    $9 says it doesn't, though.


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    so I’ve been out backcountry skiing almost every day close to home since the ski area laid me off March 15

    today I started a job in the bay area as a COVID screener for a big construction job
    I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.

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    Colorado opening state campgrounds this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Colorado opening state campgrounds this week.
    It felt like half of Jared's address was about this. But, 10 miles only, right? What a joke. I70 has already been approaching somewhat normal levels of traffic, neh, normal even for mud season. You should see the rivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark View Post
    It felt like half of Jared's address was about this. But, 10 miles only, right? What a joke. I70 has already been approaching somewhat normal levels of traffic, neh, normal even for mud season. You should see the rivers.
    No mention of the 10 mile suggestion. Just that everyone should follow each county’s guidelines and do your prep at home before going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Funny how when he's on the other side of it Austin isn't such a big fan of the Hunger Games-style society we've created.
    What does it take to turn a Conservative into a socialist?







































































    about $1200.00


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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    No mention of the 10 mile suggestion. Just that everyone should follow each county’s guidelines and do your prep at home before going.
    He didn't mention the 10 mile, it's just plastered on every sign from the State's main transportation agency. I personally could give no fucks.

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    The Ethics of Outdorr Recreation in Times of COVID-19

    I can tell you guys this

    opening up the economy isn’t about Karen getting her hair and nails done

    It’s about Juan Lupe Bob Jim Jen getting his or her work done
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Funny how when he's on the other side of it Austin isn't such a big fan of the Hunger Games-style society we've created.
    May the odds be ever in his favor
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    so I’ve been out backcountry skiing almost every day close to home since the ski area laid me off March 15

    today I started a job in the bay area as a COVID screener for a big construction job
    That's great, Mike. Been wondering how that turned out. Enjoy the big city.

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    The Ethics of Outdorr Recreation in Times of COVID-19

    all good
    Last edited by ~mikey b; 05-11-2020 at 11:05 PM.
    I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    Keep voting for asshole republicans and the trump cocksuckers that cut all the social programs they are presented with and it will get better.
    That's funny. Because where I live, on the local level it's overwhelmingly Democrat, and it's because of THEM that I haven't been able to work thanks to their shut down extensions. ...dicks.

    Quote Originally Posted by k2skier112 View Post
    What does it take to turn a Conservative into a socialist?
    ...about $1200.00
    That joke never gets old
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    "Wakka wakka!"

    And no. All it's done is make me lean into my biases even further BECAUSE it has perfectly illustrated just how inept our government is, on every level. As said before, my stimulus check is apparently stuck in bureaucratic limbo and I have been unable to get any unemployment either. They're SO incompetent. And you think this makes me want to let them control even more aspects of our lives WHY?

    I don't want tax payer money though. I just want to be allowed to get back to work. That's it. Local government just needs to step aside so I can actually do that. No fancy, expensive programs with websites and offices that can't even function properly required.

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    That's the Republican plan, claim government sucks and is ineffective, work hard to fuck government up and make it work poorly, claim government sucks and is ineffective.

    Austin, you're a poster child for the rubes they are targeting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinFromSA View Post
    That's funny. Because where I live, on the local level it's overwhelmingly Democrat, and it's because of THEM that I haven't been able to work thanks to their shut down extensions. ...dicks.


    /rimshot
    "Wakka wakka!"

    And no. All it's done is make me lean into my biases even further BECAUSE it has perfectly illustrated just how inept our government is, on every level. As said before, my stimulus check is apparently stuck in bureaucratic limbo and I have been unable to get any unemployment either. They're SO incompetent. And you think this makes me want to let them control even more aspects of our lives WHY?

    I don't want tax payer money though. I just want to be allowed to get back to work. That's it. Local government just needs to step aside so I can actually do that. No fancy, expensive programs with websites and offices that can't even function properly required.
    Democrats created the coronavirus with the help of the Wuhan Lab in order to kill the economy just to screw over Trump in the election year. Yup, got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinFromSA View Post
    That's funny. Because where I live, on the local level it's overwhelmingly Democrat, and it's because of THEM that I haven't been able to work thanks to their shut down extensions. ...dicks.


    .
    I live in one of the most red states with one of the lowest infection rates in the country and we're still not open for business for the most part. You really detract from any of your arguments by assigning blame to a political party.

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