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    Damp, stable and somewhat light at ~95mm: What touring ski am I?

    To make the most of the mandatory home office and touring season: some more 'what ski' discussion!

    My touring quiver currently consists of the awesome 184 Vwerk katana and 178 Blizzard Zero G 95.
    I am contemplating replacing the zero G with something a bit more substantial. As much as I like the edgehold and power of the ski, i wish it was more damp. It is very much a precision tool, and I would like to move to something that I can charge on regardless of snow condition (like the VW Katana). I am willing to add a little weight (and even go a size shorter to allow for a heavier ski). The ski is mainly to be used on steep, technical terrain and longer tours where the weight and/or width of the Katana are a bit overkill.

    Honestly, the ski I want exists and it is called the Vwerks Mantra. at ~1600 gr in 170 this ticks all the boxes, apart from the price. I am not willing to drop 800bucks on a ski yet, especially with an impeding COVID lockdown. So really the question can be rephrased as what is a budget VW mantra. But just to keep it open:
    - 1600 grams max in a ~170
    - ~95 mm
    - stable, damp, good edgehold.
    - Flat(ish) tail

    What else should I be looking at?
    salomon mtn 95? (too similar to the zero G?)
    armada tracer 98?
    Elan ripstick?
    ...?

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    I have the vw katanas and i had the mtn explore 95. I sold the mtn because at speed, on firm, it was unstable. Think spring days on Shasta when it's still firm.

    I felt much more secure on the katanas, even on steep, firm, even with the width.

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    Older skis :
    Heavier, Blizzard Kabookie 173.
    Narrower, Blizzard Altitude 173.

    I have the Mantra VW and it rocks. Maybe wait for a discount or used pair ?

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    Camox freebird is what I like in that spot


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    Look at the Renoun skis. They tick most of your boxes, and will help you feel more comfortable about ponying up for the Mantras.

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    This may not be much help at present, but you just described the upcoming 20/21 Volkl Blaze 94....and they will retail for $550

    Other than that, ummmm, how about a Head Kore 93? Volkl 90Eight? Atomic Vantage 97c? Fischer Ranger 98ti? Any of those will outdo a touring weight ski for grip and charge in backcountry conditions, and they can all be had pretty cheap

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    I would echo the advice about VŲlkl 90Eight. Super versatile ski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whyturn View Post
    Camox freebird is what I like in that spot


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    I hope so! I just got some 188ís.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thomas View Post
    This may not be much help at present, but you just described the upcoming 20/21 Volkl Blaze 94....and they will retail for $550

    Other than that, ummmm, how about a Head Kore 93? Volkl 90Eight? Atomic Vantage 97c? Fischer Ranger 98ti? Any of those will outdo a touring weight ski for grip and charge in backcountry conditions, and they can all be had pretty cheap
    If the camox donít work out Iíll look hard at kore 99ís.

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    Donít know if it applies to all the Head Kores, but the ones I looked at were pretty high cambered, coming from a Katana would be very different feel.

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    Damp, stable and somewhat light at ~95mm: What touring ski am I?

    Praxis 9d8 or 172 cm praxis yeti at 94 underfoot


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    Last year's QST 99
    Moment Commander 98


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    Quote Originally Posted by hoarhey View Post
    Praxis 9d8 or 172 cm praxis yeti at 94 underfoot


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    As current owner of Yeti and former owner of 9d8.

    - Yeti -- really fun touring ski but it isn't damp or particularly stable at speed.
    - 9D8 is both damp and stable. But it is quite a bit heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    As current owner of Yeti and former owner of 9d8.

    - Yeti -- really fun touring ski but it isn't damp or particularly stable at speed.
    - 9D8 is both damp and stable. But it is quite a bit heavier.
    I know they're wider, but how have your CD 104L's been working out? A pair just found their way chez mois and I'm completing a mount tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    As current owner of Yeti and former owner of 9d8.

    - Yeti -- really fun touring ski but it isn't damp or particularly stable at speed.
    - 9D8 is both damp and stable. But it is quite a bit heavier.
    What core is in your yeti?

    Maybe enduro core would be more damp?


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    Everyone raves about the salmon mtn 95. I personally love my praxis yetis for this exact spot in my quiver. I hate light carbon skis. The yeti is light enough for me but skis like an ski should

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    FWIW I own a Zero G 95 and an MTN Explore 95.

    No one would confuse the MTN with a heavy, damp ski. That being said, it's a much smoother ski than the Zero G 95. Not as high strung & more damp. It handles a variety of snow conditions quite well for the weight. It's better than the Zero G 95 in soft snow with more tip rocker and splay.

    I use the Zero G 95 for long distance spring missions with a lighter boot (TLT6). MTN Explore 95 is my preferred spring time ski for slightly shorter approaches (although I've taken it on > 20 mile days without issue) or more difficult lines (for me at least). I ski the MTN Explore with a Maestrale RS.

    This is just conjecture, but I imagine a Vwerks Mantra will ski better given the extra weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    Last year's QST 99
    Moment Commander 98


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    Was last years lighter? Or?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    Was last years lighter? Or?
    Yes. About 200g lighter per ski I think.

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    Damp, stable and somewhat light at ~95mm: What touring ski am I?

    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    Yes. About 200g lighter per ski I think.
    Good to know thanks. Might track down a past year version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoarhey View Post
    What core is in your yeti?

    Maybe enduro core would be more damp?


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    Mine is the standard model (UL core and I think 3 flex in 182?)

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    Damp, stable and somewhat light at ~95mm: What touring ski am I?

    I got the 186 BMT94 and the 178 VW Mantra this year. I ended up mounting the Mantra alpine with 916ís@296.
    I hate to say it, but the Mantras are too short.
    Iíd take $500 + flat.

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    What about the Icelantic Pioneer? Haven't skied them but seems to check those boxes. Plus sweet graphics and a quality company.

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    Wren 96ti. Later.

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    I'll add that that if you don't mind gong a bit wider, the Zero G 108 is a phenomenal ski mountaineering ski. They are utterly predictable, excellent on hard snow and deal with gloppy spring snow better than any 95mm ski. They are my preferred spring ski in CO. I only use my Zero G 85's on long-ass days that will involve lots of kick turns or sidehilling.

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