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Thread: Official ATK Binding Thread
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10-16-2020, 10:35 AM #401
these are all fair points, but it's not like binding shims are some unknown, unproven technology - "you might be okay but you might die if you use this shim". people have been shimming bindings for years with CUTTING BOARDS from the dollar store for fuck's sake, and no one (to my knowledge) has died or been hurt from a shim job.
cool that moment is fixing this out of the gate though, again, props to them (and to melee) for responding here and fielding questions, etc.
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10-16-2020, 10:38 AM #402
I reckon I mount over half of my ATK sales with toe shims and I'm been pushing ATK to reduce the delta's across their range. For some reason most bindings manufacturers just seem oblivious to this. I'd like to see 5/6mm of delta across the ATK range as standard and then they offer a choice of different thickness shims/extended screws as extras.
I make all my shims out of 2/3/4/5/6mm acrylic and the required longer screws are easy when installing them with QK/BF inserts but shims with a conventional ATK mount are a pain as all the different models have different toe mounting patterns and different mounting screws, so it'd be great if ATK offered a choice of shims/extended screws.
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10-16-2020, 10:40 AM #403Registered User
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10-16-2020, 10:47 AM #404
No that's not correct. My GBP499 price is for sales within the UK/EU so it includes our 20% VAT. Sales to destinations outside of the UK/EU are exempt from the tax so the Freeraider 14 to the USA is GBP446 inc 2/3 day FedEx shipping = $575 on todays exchange rate with zero duty/tax as the shipped order value is under $800.
You USA based guys are lucky as I know of no other country that allows private citizens to import anything like this value without having to pay tax, duty & customs clearance etc. UK/EU citizens can only bring in about $20 shipped value from the US before we get hit for a couple of % duty, a clearing fee equivalent to $15 and 20% tax!
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10-16-2020, 10:48 AM #405Registered User
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Thanks Melee and Jon, you are both rad and I'd like to support both of you if I could. Hopefully this doesn't turn into a battle here, I'm just choosing between two great options.
Jon, can you confirm the ATK14 price, has it changed since the quote you gave me a few pages back? And do you sell your toe shim and ship it for overseas buyers amd for how much?
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10-16-2020, 10:51 AM #406
I never said you would die! haha. There are just a lot of variables with aftermarket stuff in any industry.
Shims are pretty unknown to people who don't dork out on the forums...most people don't even know what ramp is and how it varies from forward lean in a ski boot.
It's just a hassle. After buying a $600-$700 binding and $800 skis the last thing someone should have to do is got chop up an old CUTTING BOARD to sandwich between them!
Do it right from the beginning.
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10-16-2020, 10:57 AM #407
^^ fair man, and again, props to you guys for fixing what is easily most american's biggest complaint with that binding. good on you for doing it right, stoked to see more bindings like these on the US market.
and to muted's point - i agree completely, two great options, both from awesome mags who contribute regularly here. tgr is a pretty great place. both of you are totally deserving of support.
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10-16-2020, 11:18 AM #408
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10-16-2020, 11:20 AM #409
Best selling product at TGappSkiMoCo:
Seasoned Artisanal Cuttingboard Shims for ATK toes - 5mm - now in Red Onion, Rare Steak Pink, Rancid Gryuere Green, and Calamari Cream.
Roughed up surface provides superior friction stiction to the topsheet, in a way only cheap Cuisinart cutlery can imbue.
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10-16-2020, 11:31 AM #410
^^ total bullshit, as anyone who knows me can tell you, my shims are also FAIR TRADE, organic, and gluten free. wouldn't want to accidentally trigger a grain allergy in one of the avy dogs. only the best for powder pups.
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10-16-2020, 12:39 PM #411Registered User
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Finally got my Helio 350s mounted on Praxis MVPs with inserts. Other mounts are for vipecs, it works but was kinda a pain to line everything up and not collide. Super impressed with the bindings on the bench, if they ski as well as they feel the vipecs might never go back on. Freeride spacer on order from Hagan.
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10-16-2020, 12:48 PM #412
muted, Yep, the price is unchanged. And yes, I can supply shims made from 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6mm clear acrylic (which can be stacked) with suitably longer screws. The screws can be either conventional binding screws or no.2 pozi s/s M5's for use with inserts. I drill and shape the shims to follow the shape of the base plate but with a few mm extra around the perimeter, like this:
The tax free cost of the shims is GBP28 per pair for the 2/3/4mm, GBP29 for the 5mm and GBP30 for the 6mm. A set of 8no. conventional extended toe screws is GBP10 and a set of 9no. extended M5 insert toe screws is GBP5. Including shims/screws in with a set of bindings won't increase the shipping cost.
If you want to shim thicker than 6mm (ie if you stack two shims together) then I'll only charge GBP7.00 for the second set of shims as there's no extra labour as I stack all the raw material on top of each and drill'n'shape 'em in one go. I've done quite thick shims for alpine bindings (usually for people with weird anatomical shit going on) but on most tech bindings 6/7mm is about as thick as I'd recommend otherwise you adversely effect the heights of the climbing bars too much - although it's usually straightforward enough to graft some material on top of them as well.Last edited by Spyderjon; 10-20-2020 at 04:28 PM.
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10-16-2020, 12:59 PM #413
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10-16-2020, 01:17 PM #414
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10-16-2020, 01:21 PM #415
OMG!!! Is that from too much time in the saddle? Never seen anything like that
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10-16-2020, 01:33 PM #416
The guy is actually a very accomplished high alpine ski mountaineer/tourer and has completed many of the classic routes/peaks. He's now of 'senior' age and has been this 'shape' all his life. He's had similar shims for years with alpine bindings and a frame binding but transitioned to a tech binding a few years ago when I did these for him.
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10-16-2020, 02:20 PM #417
Buy it from @spyderjon, get his shims, or alternatively, ask your local plastic shop to let you rummage through their scrap bin for some UHMW (cutting board material).
... ThomGalibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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10-16-2020, 03:06 PM #418
This. Don't use an old cutting board, buy a fresh one. If you're dumb enough to have already shelled out $600-700 for a set of clamps you can splurge for a new cutting board.
Shims as a novel concept for people who aren't tech savvy... Gimme a break, if someone can't figure out how to address pin delta they're not noticing it in the first place and it's a non-issue.
Fixing the problem out of the gate will probably result in a $50 markup to account for the "new technology" of an integrated baseplate, I'll stick with making $4.99 shims."Your wife being mad is temporary, but pow turns do not get unmade" - mallwalker the wise
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10-16-2020, 03:43 PM #419Registered User
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10-16-2020, 03:48 PM #420Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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10-16-2020, 04:33 PM #421
Do whats right for you.
Tinkering leads to innovation. We shimmed our tech bindings for years too...and there still plenty of folks who will continue to do that. That's cool.
We are offering a complete no tinkering needed package easily accessible to USA customers.
Now you can spend more time tinkering with your boots because at the end of the day we all want to be Hoji.
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10-16-2020, 06:10 PM #422Registered User
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The part of me that wants to be Hoji isn’t the tinkerer
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10-16-2020, 06:33 PM #423
Oof, must be friday. If you're catering to American preferences, should have gone to only 3 skinning positions! Not sure how you'd end up with three useful positions with that design, but 5 is too many.
Great product though, for real. Staying on team mtn, but suddenly voyager-curious
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10-16-2020, 09:26 PM #424Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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10-16-2020, 10:14 PM #425
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