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  1. #251
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    6'2, 170 on a good day.

    192 Rustler 11s: 2100 grams per ski(approx?)
    Tecnica Cochise 130s: 2000 grams per boot
    Pivot 18 CAST: 1000 grams per ski uphill + heavy ass toe pieces in the bag
    G3 skins: 500 grams (?)

    so uh.... 5600-6000 per ski uphill?

    The ride downhill: weightless.

  2. #252
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beder View Post
    Yeah? I like the sound of that spacer on the ATK
    The mtn brakes are right under the boot heel, same thing

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  3. #253
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beder View Post
    Yeah? I like the sound of that spacer on the ATK
    I like the sound of it too:

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  4. #254
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    Me: 5'9, 180lb

    Ski: Black Crows Camox Freebird, 1375g/ski
    Boot: Scarpa F1 1248g/boot
    Binding: Marker Alpinist with brake, 335g/ski

    So sans skins, 1710g per ski+binding, 2958g per foot.

    Really happy with the balance of weight + performance for a do-it-all setup.

  5. #255
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    Deathwish Tour 1740g/ski or 17/18 Camox Freebird 1745g/ski
    G3 Ion LT ~ 460g
    Scarpa Maestrale RS 1450g
    Skins 380g

    Under 4kg per foot, I've got no complaints.
    Last edited by Sargentdrufus; 10-22-2020 at 04:33 PM.

  6. #256
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    which one ?
    the last time I counted I somehow collected 7 rigs that can tour, having said that I don't tour them all so it kind of depends on how much snow on the ground and what kind of shape i am in

    most of its been on Stokes/ Rad1 - the pretty light go-to setup that tours well, probably has the worst looking bases

    the super light rig is the Denali/ Verts - easier to keep up if out of shape, very stiff but skis pow not too badly

    the heavy pow rig is lotus 120/verts - ultimate powski but the extra weight is more work for sure

    all driven with Vulcan or Mercury with pwrwraps perfect fit/ no compromise in power
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  7. #257
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    181cm Moment Meridian Tours: 1770g/ski
    Salomon MTN bindings w/ brake: 400g/ski
    Salomon MTN Lab w/ Pro Tours: 1250g + 265g = 1515g/foot
    Pomoca skins: who knows

    So a little under 3700g per foot, plus skins. Works okay!
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  8. #258
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    Thought I had shaved more weight switching from tele to A/T for some reason. Still not too shabby. I included some Praxis ski weights, impressive how close each ski was.
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  9. #259
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    188 Kastle TX 98 (1370g/ski) with G3 ION LT 12 (450g/binding)
    1820g/ski or 3640gm/8.0lbs total
    BD Methods w/ Intuition Pro Tongue 1940/boot
    Last edited by schindlerpiste; 10-30-2020 at 02:02 PM.
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  10. #260
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    Praxis BC/MTN - 1700g/295g (1995g/ski)

    Praxis FRS UL/Helio 200 - 2110g/200g (2310g/ski)

  11. #261
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    How heavy is your touring rig?

    ON3P Wren 102 (2210 g per) + Marker Barons (1115 g per)

    Too heavy.

  12. #262
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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    ON3P Wren 102 (2210 g per) + Marker Barons (1115 g per)

    Too heavy.
    You should switch to tele to shave some weight.

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  13. #263
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    beast 98s g3 zed - 8.3 lbs

  14. #264
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    down cd104L's in 181 - 1540g
    atk release 10's - 250g
    hoji''s - 1400g

    not great, not terrible. should ski really well though.

  15. #265
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    I'll play. I've been learning to ski the last couple of seasons and having a lot of fun with it and I've been splitboarding for a while.

    I just got a pair of Bent Chetler 120s/Shifts to replace a pair of Lib UFO 115s/G3 Ions.
    The weight is nearly identical at ~2750g/ski+binding, the UFOs might be a bit heavier at 2770/side.
    My boots are Hawx Ultra XTD 130s at 1590g/foot
    Skins are 330/foot
    Total weight: 4670g/foot or 9340g going uphill

    My splitboard kit (Lib SplitBRD 167W):
    Backland Experts/B&D ski leases at 1330g/foot
    Split skis at 2120g/foot with all Phantom hardware
    Skins are 335/foot
    Total weight: 3785g/foot or 7570g on my feet going uphill
    Plus bindings which are 460g each and go in the pack on the way up.

    The poles are the same for ski or split at 305g and 350g (one is an expedition 3pc and the other is a 3pc whippet without the axe on it).

    I'm steady at about 93kg so my ratio is 107g/kg for the skis and 88g/kg for the splitboard.

    If I buy any more gear this season it might be a shorter splitboard or narrower skis with much lighter bindings for spring tours. I already have a pair of Backland Carbons that I could pair up with some lighter skis.

  16. #266
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3PinGrin View Post
    You should switch to tele to shave some weight.

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    My lightweight (tele) setup:
    Rossignol BC 90: 470g/ski
    Voile Mountaineer: 710g/pair
    825g per foot.

  17. #267
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    This is an interesting thread. I did some spreadsheeting trying to decide on bindings for the new setup I'm putting together this year. I settled on:

    Blizzard Zero G 105 180: 1503
    Tecnica Zero G Scout: 1385
    Salomon MTN w/brake: 395
    Total: 3283

    For comparison, last year I lost (yes, LOST, ugh) my touring skis and ended up doing a bunch of BC skiing with my sidecountry setup:

    Blizzard Cochise 185: 2316
    Scarpa Maestrale RS 28.5: 1693
    Salomon Shift: 879
    Total: 4888

    Obviously heavy and I really felt it on the way up. Obviously skis well. For further contrast I reminded myself of what I was using about 10 years ago:

    K2 Coomback 181: 1997
    Garmont Megaride: 1665
    Dynafit Vertical ST: 560
    Total: 4222

    I know I'm not going after 30% bigger goals than I used to. New technology is probably just enabling me to work less hard.
    that's all i can think of, but i'm sure there's something else...

  18. #268
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    180 Zero G 105 with SSL 2.0 ≈ 1700g (add when 100g if I use brakes, might end up putting adjustment plates on these- add another 80g)
    182 UL GPO with SSL 2.0 2.9 ≈ 2000g
    187 Praxis Protests with SSL 2.0 (with adjustment plates) ≈ 2500g
    181 QST 106 (2019) with Tectons ≈ 2600g
    188 Rustler 11's with Shifts ≈ 2950g

    Boots are 26.5 Scarpa F1's (first two rigs) or Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD 120's (the others)

  19. #269
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    I have no idea what thread to put this in, but I anticipate that I need to upgrade my resort ski boots as I have several cracks in the plastic cuff held together with large zip ties. I'm skiing 2004 Salomon Course 120 with intuition pro wrap. They are beat. I would love to replace them with a boot that has a solid downhill performance without compromise, or at least the same performance that my Salomon boots have given. Whatever they are they do the right job, progressive flex, whatever that allows me full confidence to occasionally fall off 30 foot cliffs and ski full speed chutes, maybe Chimney Sweep someday if it snows enough. The only addition that would be nice is to have tech fittings so I can future proof my boots to new skis. I can make it another year on my Marker Dukes, but they are already 10 years old. I tried the first edition Technica Cochise and they were simply awful, so I'm aiming to not repeat that waste of money and ski days. I don't care about weight or how well the walk mode works (I climbed 1500 feet once in alpine bindings, skins, and the Salomon boot once with heel clicked in and wasn't the slowest person in the group.

    My heavyweight rig:
    2011 Rossignol Super 7 195cm, Dukes, Salomon Course 120

    My lightweight rig:
    2017ish Dynafit Stoke, 2007 Dynafit FT12 (Dynafit warranty is awesome), and TLT5

    I totally hate the downhill performance of the TLT5, but if I'm aiming for big vertical this rig makes me happy on really long tours.

  20. #270
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    How heavy is your touring rig?

    Going lighter on deep day touring sticks

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    150/119/129 in 193 surf stick is 3800 g

    Should be 2500 g each with tecton.


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    Yeah, Utah. It's wedged in between Wyoming and Nevada. You've seen pictures of it, right?

    So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....


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  21. #271
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerome View Post
    I have no idea what thread to put this in, but I anticipate that I need to upgrade my resort ski boots as I have several cracks in the plastic cuff held together with large zip ties. I'm skiing 2004 Salomon Course 120 with intuition pro wrap. They are beat. I would love to replace them with a boot that has a solid downhill performance without compromise, or at least the same performance that my Salomon boots have given. Whatever they are they do the right job, progressive flex, whatever that allows me full confidence to occasionally fall off 30 foot cliffs and ski full speed chutes, maybe Chimney Sweep someday if it snows enough. The only addition that would be nice is to have tech fittings so I can future proof my boots to new skis. I can make it another year on my Marker Dukes, but they are already 10 years old. I tried the first edition Technica Cochise and they were simply awful, so I'm aiming to not repeat that waste of money and ski days. I don't care about weight or how well the walk mode works (I climbed 1500 feet once in alpine bindings, skins, and the Salomon boot once with heel clicked in and wasn't the slowest person in the group.

    My heavyweight rig:
    2011 Rossignol Super 7 195cm, Dukes, Salomon Course 120

    My lightweight rig:
    2017ish Dynafit Stoke, 2007 Dynafit FT12 (Dynafit warranty is awesome), and TLT5

    I totally hate the downhill performance of the TLT5, but if I'm aiming for big vertical this rig makes me happy on really long tours.
    I see no grams, jong.

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  22. #272
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerome View Post
    I have no idea what thread to put this in, but I anticipate that I need to upgrade my resort ski boots as I have several cracks in the plastic cuff held together with large zip ties. I'm skiing 2004 Salomon Course 120 with intuition pro wrap. They are beat. I would love to replace them with a boot that has a solid downhill performance without compromise, or at least the same performance that my Salomon boots have given. Whatever they are they do the right job, progressive flex, whatever that allows me full confidence to occasionally fall off 30 foot cliffs and ski full speed chutes, maybe Chimney Sweep someday if it snows enough. The only addition that would be nice is to have tech fittings so I can future proof my boots to new skis. I can make it another year on my Marker Dukes, but they are already 10 years old. I tried the first edition Technica Cochise and they were simply awful, so I'm aiming to not repeat that waste of money and ski days. I don't care about weight or how well the walk mode works (I climbed 1500 feet once in alpine bindings, skins, and the Salomon boot once with heel clicked in and wasn't the slowest person in the group.

    My heavyweight rig:
    2011 Rossignol Super 7 195cm, Dukes, Salomon Course 120

    My lightweight rig:
    2017ish Dynafit Stoke, 2007 Dynafit FT12 (Dynafit warranty is awesome), and TLT5

    I totally hate the downhill performance of the TLT5, but if I'm aiming for big vertical this rig makes me happy on really long tours.
    I've got a pair of the 2017 Cochise 130s and thoroughly enjoy them. I had a buddy with old Cochises and he hated them. I let him ski mine one day in the resort and he approved.
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  23. #273
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerome View Post
    I have no idea what thread to put this in, but I anticipate that I need to upgrade my resort ski boots as I have several cracks in the plastic cuff held together with large zip ties. I'm skiing 2004 Salomon Course 120 with intuition pro wrap. They are beat. I would love to replace them with a boot that has a solid downhill performance without compromise, or at least the same performance that my Salomon boots have given. Whatever they are they do the right job, progressive flex, whatever that allows me full confidence to occasionally fall off 30 foot cliffs and ski full speed chutes, maybe Chimney Sweep someday if it snows enough. The only addition that would be nice is to have tech fittings so I can future proof my boots to new skis. I can make it another year on my Marker Dukes, but they are already 10 years old. I tried the first edition Technica Cochise and they were simply awful, so I'm aiming to not repeat that waste of money and ski days. I don't care about weight or how well the walk mode works (I climbed 1500 feet once in alpine bindings, skins, and the Salomon boot once with heel clicked in and wasn't the slowest person in the group.

    My heavyweight rig:
    2011 Rossignol Super 7 195cm, Dukes, Salomon Course 120

    My lightweight rig:
    2017ish Dynafit Stoke, 2007 Dynafit FT12 (Dynafit warranty is awesome), and TLT5

    I totally hate the downhill performance of the TLT5, but if I'm aiming for big vertical this rig makes me happy on really long tours.
    I had that super 7 and itís like 12 pounds. Figure 6 for dukes maybe more. Your like 4100-4200g for inbounds. But they float. New boots will help but thatís a heavy rig


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    I need to go to Utah.
    Utah?
    Yeah, Utah. It's wedged in between Wyoming and Nevada. You've seen pictures of it, right?

    So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....


    Thanks BCSAR and POWMOW Ski Patrol for rescues

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  24. #274
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerome View Post
    I have no idea what thread to put this in, but I anticipate that I need to upgrade my resort ski boots as I have several cracks in the plastic cuff held together with large zip ties. I'm skiing 2004 Salomon Course 120 with intuition pro wrap. They are beat. I would love to replace them with a boot that has a solid downhill performance without compromise, or at least the same performance that my Salomon boots have given. Whatever they are they do the right job, progressive flex, whatever that allows me full confidence to occasionally fall off 30 foot cliffs and ski full speed chutes, maybe Chimney Sweep someday if it snows enough. The only addition that would be nice is to have tech fittings so I can future proof my boots to new skis. I can make it another year on my Marker Dukes, but they are already 10 years old. I tried the first edition Technica Cochise and they were simply awful, so I'm aiming to not repeat that waste of money and ski days. I don't care about weight or how well the walk mode works (I climbed 1500 feet once in alpine bindings, skins, and the Salomon boot once with heel clicked in and wasn't the slowest person in the group.

    My heavyweight rig:
    2011 Rossignol Super 7 195cm, Dukes, Salomon Course 120

    My lightweight rig:
    2017ish Dynafit Stoke, 2007 Dynafit FT12 (Dynafit warranty is awesome), and TLT5

    I totally hate the downhill performance of the TLT5, but if I'm aiming for big vertical this rig makes me happy on really long tours.
    What's your foots last? Volume? The best boot sucks if your foot is slopping around or cramps after 1 run. My advice is to go to the best bootfitter in your area to find the boot that fits your foot and then you can also flex all the boots and get it worked on for free.

    Also a boot with a touring function does sacrifice a little downhill performance. If you're 150lbs you may not notice a difference, if you're 220 and ski aggressively you probably will.

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  25. #275
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerome View Post
    I have no idea what thread to put this in, but I anticipate that I need to upgrade my resort ski boots as I have several cracks in the plastic cuff held together with large zip ties. I'm skiing 2004 Salomon Course 120 with intuition pro wrap. They are beat. I would love to replace them with a boot that has a solid downhill performance without compromise, or at least the same performance that my Salomon boots have given. Whatever they are they do the right job, progressive flex, whatever that allows me full confidence to occasionally fall off 30 foot cliffs and ski full speed chutes, maybe Chimney Sweep someday if it snows enough. The only addition that would be nice is to have tech fittings so I can future proof my boots to new skis. I can make it another year on my Marker Dukes, but they are already 10 years old. I tried the first edition Technica Cochise and they were simply awful, so I'm aiming to not repeat that waste of money and ski days. I don't care about weight or how well the walk mode works (I climbed 1500 feet once in alpine bindings, skins, and the Salomon boot once with heel clicked in and wasn't the slowest person in the group.

    My heavyweight rig:
    2011 Rossignol Super 7 195cm, Dukes, Salomon Course 120

    My lightweight rig:
    2017ish Dynafit Stoke, 2007 Dynafit FT12 (Dynafit warranty is awesome), and TLT5

    I totally hate the downhill performance of the TLT5, but if I'm aiming for big vertical this rig makes me happy on really long tours.
    I'll put another vote in for the Cochise 130. I absolutely hated the old Cochise as well. I used to ski Salomon Ghosts, Salomon Questmax 130s, and Atomic Tracker 130s before going into the Cochise 130. The boot is solid. Maybe not as intense as the the Salomon Ghost or Questmax, but I'm okay with having some circulation in my toes.

    I think it's also worth checking out some options from Atomic and Lange. Most notably the Hawx Ultra XTD 130 and the Lange XT3 140 pro. The metal lock on the Cochise, Hawx, and XT3 is a notable improvement over a lot of other touring boots from the past; I overflexed the Questmax a few times followed by a lot of pain, but I've never gotten into that situation with the Cochise.

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