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03-09-2020, 08:33 PM #1
How heavy is your touring rig?
I’m not talking about uber light setups, if it can’t be driven by a 4 buckle boot you need not apply. I’m quizzing to see how stupid my idea is of putting light bindings in some heavier skis... basically I want a wider setup to have more fun on but haven’t walked on anything heavy in a bit. I will still have a lighter setup for long days but am thinking about throwing some 300g bindings on some 2200g skis.... should still be lighter than dukes on basically anything...
Heavy skis always ski better but what’s the cut off when it comes to lugging them up hill?a positive attitude will not solve all of your problems, but it may annoy enough people to make it worth the effort
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03-09-2020, 08:48 PM #2Registered User
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Still a work in progress for me.
Last year I toured a heap on Atris/Shift/Zero G Tour Pro. Was pretty hard work at times, particularly for multiday trips. Using Tectons made that setup more manageable, but I found heavier skis more work than heavier bindings (despite similar total weights).
If you're skiing soft snow, your idea could totally work. But if it gets firm, I'd want at least a Tecton for that heel retention over pins.
My issue is dialing in the boot - ZGTP feels a bit undergunned at times, but I'm not interested in going up to a Cochise or Nordica Strider.
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03-09-2020, 09:03 PM #3Registered User
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I’m coming to the conclusion that light skis just suck balls
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03-09-2020, 09:10 PM #4
I spent a half season skiing 250g Alpinists on 2400g renegades, (boots are burly Dalbello Factorys). I didn't have any issues with that setup other than just being slow (no prerelease, etc.). Switched out the Rens for 1800g Voile Chargers about 20 days ago and am very happy. Feels about the same on the downhill and way faster and more nimble on the climb.
Disclaimer: 85% of my tours are 1500' to 3500' vertical with fairly easy approaches.
I do occasionally take out my Zero G 85s, but except for perfect corn I often end up regretting not having something more stout. I'd rather be a little slower and have more fun.
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03-09-2020, 09:28 PM #5
I once put some Speed Radicals on a pair of OG Cochises when I knew I'd be doing a bunch of short uphills to ski some sweet terrain with funky ass snow. This was pre-Beast 16, and therefore, pre Kingpin, Tecton, Shift etc. I don't like frame bindings. It's not only the weight that makes them suck. The setup worked quite well for my purpose. Then I pulled of the tech binding and put alpine bindings back on like a normal person.
If I was facing a similar objective today with access to gear that is currently available I'd put some Tectons or Shifts on a ski that weighs around 2000g. There are some very stable skis that come in around this weight (Corvus and Rustler 11's come to mind). Rustler 11's with Shifts probably weigh as much or more than Cochises with Speed Radicals but the Rustler-Shift combo skis much better. I should know. I have a pair. Great for lift assisted touring.
But if I'm actually going to lug a pair of skis and bindings up 3000'+ on a regular basis? No fucking way. 1800g max. The benefits extra mass beyond that are minimal. Unless the snow sucks, you can haul ass on 1600g skis with 200g bindings and a 1400g boot. The feel of lighter gear can be unnerving at first but it holds up just fine once you learn to trust it. And if the snow sucks that bad, why are you hauling ass in the backcountry? That's when I work enjoying the scenery, the exercise and the company and focus on getting home safely.
That said, I always like to point out there isn't one right way to go ski touring. If there is a 2200g ski that just speaks to you, or you just get a kick out of skiing on a big-ass ski like Praxis Protests, then why the hell not? Worse thing that can happen is some know-it-all will tell you you're doing it wrong. Then you can go find someone else to ski with.
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03-09-2020, 10:09 PM #6
184 4Frnt Ravens with Zeds, no brakes. ~2175g total per foot.
192 MAP Veneer Protests, with Shifts. ~3200g total per foot.
I'm pretty on board with the idea of trying to save more weight in the binding and "budgeting" that weight for the ski. If I didn't ski the Protests inbounds with some regularity, I'd have a lighter binding on there. I'll probably add a more pow-oriented dedicated touring rig for next season (Renegades? Wildcat Tours? Not sure...) but I'll put a light-ish binding on those too. Zed/ATK Raider or Crest, etc.
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03-09-2020, 10:22 PM #7
I’ve got carbon kusala in at 1950 ish so 8.5 pounds for the pair? Mounted w tlt’s, ski w Lange freetours. Great setup for me but I’m slow.
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03-10-2020, 12:22 AM #8Rod9301
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A few years ago i was on bonafides 180 with dynafit ft12
Now I'm on vwerks katanas 184 with Salomon mtn, i probably lost 500 g per ski, and 500 g in boots, currently zero g pro
But i can't say that I'm faster. I used to do 6,000 ft tours then and same now.
The setup skis better though.
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03-10-2020, 01:42 AM #9
Definitely a work in progress. I seem to have both extremes covered:
- Praxis EXPs (88mm) / Plum Guides - 1,770 per foot
- Praxis GPOs (116mm) / BD Helio 200s - 2,220 per foot
The GPOs went from an inbound rig, to Vipec mounts, to the Helio 200s (ATK Haute Route). Knocking off 410g. per foot by going to the Helios, was no compromise for me in a soft snow ski. I'm slow as hell and need all the help on the up that I can recruit.
Zero-G Tour Pro at the moment, although I've been curious about something like an F1 for quite some time. Rumor has it that it's as burly as the Mango Maestrale, and I was OK with that boot for the most part - mostly changing to the Z-G 'coz I have narrow heels & bony ankles.
I've been in search of the Goldilocks, 100-ish ski for a while now. A CD 104L could be the ticket (the LD 102 wasn't quite my cup of tea, although it certainly had its virtues).
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03-10-2020, 02:28 AM #10Registered User
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I think that a heavier ski mated with light weight tech bindings makes a ton of sense for certain uses. 300-500grs extra in your skis should in most cases yield a larger benefit than 300-500gr extra in your bindings (Tecton or Shifts over MTN/ATKs) - even at the loss of TUV release and toe elasticity. With there being several boots in the 1400gr range that skis awesomely, a bomber setup at a reasonable weight should be very achievable.
Of course, if all you are going to ski is perfect soft snow a heavier ski makes less sense.
My main touring rigs for the next seasons will be Rustler10s and Rustler11s mounted with ATK FR14s - to be used with Hawx XTD 130s. Yeah, Rustlers are fairly light compared to a lot of skis similar skis, but they pack a decent punch as well. The main reason I decided to go with them (other than how awesomely they ski) is to have zero adjustment / relearning curve when I go touring. The slight weight penalty on the way up is more than worth it for the familiarity on the way down.
I also have a pair of BMT90s (currently mounted with Vipecs, but might remount with ATK Raider 12 2.0s) and BMT122s w/MTNs. I only plan on using the BMT90s for mulitday treks (BMT90s can be bought dirt cheap in Euroland nowadays), while the BMT122s (can also be found at 60-70% off) doubles as lady shred resort pow sticks. The BMT122s are actually the ones I've spent the most time touring on this year. They ski/tour awesomely, but the black top sheet is suboptimal - snow sticks on them like it is going out of fashion (surprise surprise).
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03-10-2020, 07:09 AM #11
How heavy is your touring rig?
183 Camox free with vipecs 2000g
187 wootest with tecton who knows but they are fun and don’t feel heavy
182 and 192 drifter with tecton
Not bad and a lot of float
I used to carry skis with p18 so
These are light by comparison
It’s about the down for me mostly
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03-10-2020, 07:46 AM #12Registered User
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East coast touring and resort/travel touring. Currently using both with the same strider 130 but eyeing deals on touring spec boots for the light set.
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03-10-2020, 07:53 AM #13Registered User
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I've got a kastle bmx 105 with shifts that i use with freetours - roughly 2350 ski, 885 binding and 1850 boot --> feels like lead on my feet. Imho sucks balls as a touring setup.
Possibly not entirely weight related but a combination of weight, poor ROM in boot and single binding riser. Im in process of moving the shifts to a different ski and dumping the freetour for xtd. Im certain I'll be much happier even if the ski not as stout
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03-10-2020, 08:35 AM #14
I run faction dictator 3 (~2100g?) + shift (~885g) + xtd(~1500g?). The weight balance works well for me such that the uphill is manageable and the downhill is fun.
Have a pair of K2 wayback (88s I think) I got for cheap that I’m going to be mounting with vipecs I think for spring corn conditions.
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03-10-2020, 09:03 AM #15Registered User
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I only have one currently and it's heavy. Like really heavy. It's mostly for traveling w/ some touring potential if need be.
Dalbello Lupo Pro HD in a 26.5: ~4,000 grams total when including tongues. W/o ~3,600
Dynastar Pro-to Factory w/ CAST 3.0 ~5,000 per pair +~2,000 grams in touring mode /~3,000 with everything included in total
So we're looking at 4,000g boots+5,000g skis+3,000g bindings=12,000g total or 26 pounds. I felt it after a week touring in Jackson where we averaged 5k vert a day. May not be a lot for some of you, but it felt like it to me.
I'm looking to get a lighter spring/more BC oriented setup that'll be the MTN Binding+something ~1,800 max per ski+Lupos (for now). Should be nice...For Sale:
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03-10-2020, 09:20 AM #16
I've moved toward lighter since I play it pretty conservative re avy conditions
Winter ski = Raven + FT2.0 = 2480g per foot
- the Ravens do great for their weight given pretty stiff + rocker, only downside is uphill grip on steep hard snow
- forgot how heavy those Dynas are, and one just broke... grrr
Spring/summer (or distance) ski = Zero G 85 + Speed Rad = 1565g per foot... like 2 lbs per foot lighter!
Use Maestrale RS for both
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03-10-2020, 09:26 AM #17
I'm currently rocking ~2100g 188cm QST 99s mounted w/ Shifts (865g) using Tecnica Cochise 120s (1925g) for a grand total of 4890g. This is my first setup so I kinda just took what I had/could get cheap to put my setup together. I impulse bought some Woodsmans for my inbounds daily driver though and now the QST is only ever used for touring which puts it in an odd spot because I would go with a very different setup if I was just looking for a pure touring ski.
I actually just ordered 189 Billy Goats (2450g) and Shifts again, and looking to get Hawx Ultra XTD 130s (1430g) so I'd be carrying similar weight (4745g) but would hopefully enjoy it more, and the Billy Goat would still get use in bounds as a powder ski when the weather called for it.
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03-10-2020, 09:27 AM #18Registered User
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193 Praxis MVP/Shifts/S-Lab. Turns out to be 2050g + 885g + 1570g = 4505g per foot. It's burly but I think the performance is worth it and ski the setup inbounds as well. I've also never toured on anything much lighter. If I would get another setup it would be a pow ski with a lighter binding.
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03-10-2020, 09:27 AM #19
My two main rigs are:
187 Praxis Protest, #4 flex enduro core w/ carbon + G3 Ion LT: about 2100g ski + 450g binding
184 Praxis Freeride (older construction, roughly translates to #4 flex enduro core) + Salomon MTN (no brakes): about 2000g ski + 290g binding
In both cases I typically use an Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD 130 at 1430g.
I also use pretty exclusively BD GlideLite Mix skins, which are quite a bit lighter than an Ascension or similar.
I also own Down LD90s with Dynafit Speed Radicals and Dynafit TLT6Ps but I generally only use them if I'm going for over 10mi or 4000'+ in a day. They're wonderful to skin on but absolutely do not ski as well as the above setups. Most of my days are in the range of 2000-4000' of climbing and the above setups are fantastic for that. Sure I could ski more on lighter gear but it's quality over quantity for me.
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03-10-2020, 09:35 AM #20
on3p Cease and Desist + shifts .. 3292g/ski
on3p Pillow Fight + shifts .. 3641g/ski
ascensions and maestrales.
start early. start slow, taper. Suffer.
But enjoy the skiing!
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03-10-2020, 09:59 AM #21Registered User
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Vision 108 183, 1605g
Sally mtn w/o brakes 300g
Coltex skins
Dalbello Lupo air 130, 1500ish g
Set up is really light, powerful, damp and fun. No interest in going heavier. Ive skied it as hard as i can and it skis great. Sleep in, walk fast, suffer, have fun skiing lol.
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03-10-2020, 10:07 AM #22
I've been a light-is-right guy mostly but for my new setup I am putting ATK Trofeos on BC Solis (~1950g/ski) and driving them with Tecnica ZeroG Tour Pros. I'll let you know how it works out. I've got Trofeos on a 1650g/ski setup and they do just fine. I wouldn't really worry about the weight of the binding I guess, save that for the skis or boots, imo anyway.
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03-10-2020, 10:10 AM #23
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03-10-2020, 10:13 AM #24
I think this is pretty much the sweet spot if your partners are in decent touring shape.
If I'm going with someone slow I have some 180 Rustler 11's with Shifts, but they feel heavy. Putting MTN's on them would drop ~600 grams, but they ski better with Shifts. Boot is Zero G Tour Pro.
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03-10-2020, 10:14 AM #25
Eluder, it doesn't matter what setup you go with, you're realistically going to ski it 3 times, decide there's something better out there, sell it, and buy something else that's slightly different. The cycle will then repeat. That answer is the same regardless of the weight of the setup, and regardless of how much you fret about it on the internet.
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