Covid19 affected my skiing plans

[The AD]

This whole socialized medicine argument is silly.

What in the world is "silly" about it? Hell, even the U.S. Constitution mentions promoting the welfare of the people.

[powpig]

The administration's duty is to tell us the facts.............

LOL

[coldfeet]

Do you want the kid serving your food to show up to work sick (with the flu, let alone COVID-19) because they get no sick leave and could get fired, and/or they get no or shitty insurance and can't afford to go the urgent care clinic because the fees are high?

Living in a society where people show up to work sick is a bad life choice that everyone in the US is currently making.

[subtle plague]

nice summary

The problem with survival of the fittest is the corpse at your feet.

And Gated communities, and violent crime and so on..... Big social disparities make living in a country harder, in general

So i like the kind of communism we have over here in Europe.

[paulster2626]

This is a pretty narrow minded way to look at things. Why do you assume that everyone has shitty insurance and maxed out credit cards? Second, why should everyone else have to pay for people’s bad life decisions?

This whole socialized medicine argument is silly.


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I don’t know if you could find a single person in Canada who would trade our public healthcare system for a private one like the USA has.

The only thing we think about when we need to go to the ER is “damn I wonder how long the wait will be,” and the thought of cost never crosses our mind. Pretty sure my mom didn’t make ‘bad life decisions’ when she was diagnosed with all sorts of cancers. Thank fuck our family wasn’t out the $300k or whatever that treatment and palliative care would have cost in the USA.

This is how it’s supposed to work, in the first world at least. People take care of each other. Hell, I’ll bet even a head-shrinking witch doctor in the middle of a jungle is free.


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[Kinnikinnick]

This is a pretty narrow minded way to look at things. Why do you assume that everyone has shitty insurance and maxed out credit cards? Second, why should everyone else have to pay for people’s bad life decisions?

This whole socialized medicine argument is silly.


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Thats always what people on the upside say, until shit goes wrong for you, then you’ll be clamoring for a bailout.

Just like the oil people are now
Just like the farmers have been with the tariffs
Just like the bankers in 2008
Just like steel producers
Just like the coal mine owners


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[uglymoney]

I don’t know if you could find a single person in Canada who would trade our public healthcare system for a private one like the USA has.

The only thing we think about when we need to go to the ER is “damn I wonder how long the wait will be,” and the thought of cost never crosses our mind. Pretty sure my mom didn’t make ‘bad life decisions’ when she was diagnosed with all sorts of cancers. Thank fuck our family wasn’t out the $300k or whatever that treatment and palliative care would have cost in the USA.

This is how it’s supposed to work, in the first world at least. People take care of each other. Hell, I’ll bet even a head-shrinking witch doctor in the middle of a jungle is free.


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Imagine the amount of time energy and money the Oligarchs have done to convince people you are wrong. Imagine if the same effort had gone into turning our system into something tenable for joe average American.

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[::: :::]

Hooooo buddy. Pull up a chair.

1) because they do. Median personal income in the US is 31k, about $865/wk. The number of uninsured remains approximately 27 million Americans. US Consumer debt is literally higher today than it has ever been. The majority of Americans would have trouble meeting a $500 unexpected expenses. These are not contestable facts.
2) Well aside from being the compassionate, morally right thing to do, those costs of other people's "bad choices" are born by the rest of society, one way or another. Pay for their meds and primary care visits, or pay (indirectly) the costs of their ED visits that go uncollected and are borne by the rest of us through higher premiums (after the insurance leaches have taken their cut). I don't know what little privileged rock you live under, and I'm glad that medical misfortune has never visited your household, but suffice it to say the costs of prevention and of compassion are much less than the cost of whatever libertarian fantasy world you jerk it to at night.
3. I'll dumb the philosophical argument down for you, but essentially none of us have a choice as to whether we're born into society or not. And society makes some people sick (ask the families whose kids turn out to be asthmatics because they have to live by the interstate, or the fracking crews coming down with leukemia because the waste brine come up loaded with radium). And because it's impossible to anticipate and measure the direct and indirect harms, the most fair andequitable thing to do is to offer the same level of protection to everyone. I'll ask you this:.Would you support a for-profit police force that only responds to 911 if you're current on your premiums?

Well said

[406]

There is a polyass version of the thread for you guys that want to argue politics.


Noticed that the swiss are keeping border open with Italy. I would have guessed Swiss would be some of the first to quarantine. Have been checking status of my Euro flight number and looks like it has been canceled a few midweek days. I'm flying on a Friday 3/20, so hopefully that still goes and hopefully seat next to me is empty. Although I would rather not go than get stuck, I guess. Layover is in Frankfurt, so keeping an eye on what Germany is up to also.

Might tell work I'm going on a cruise and hope they tell me to not come in for 3 weeks :-)

[Benny Profane]

Thats always what people on the upside say, until shit goes wrong for you, then you’ll be clamoring for a bailout.

Just like the oil people are now
Just like the farmers have been with the tariffs
Just like the bankers in 2008
Just like steel producers
Just like the coal mine owners


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And the very Trumpian absurdity of this time will be the very essential cruise industry getting a bailout.

[Danno]

I'll ask you this:.Would you support a for-profit police force that only responds to 911 if you're current on your premiums?

this is pretty much the slam dunk end of argument.

[The AD]

I know this shouldn't be my number one concern, but I'll admit I'm worried about my upcoming trip to Whistler. If Washington goes to stage 5 that would mean no non-emergency travel.

[altasnob]

I'm worried about my upcoming trip to Whistler. If Washington goes to stage 5 that would mean no non-emergency travel.

Inslee is banning gatherings of more than 250 people. How many people hang out at the bottom of Chinook and the Gondi at Crystal, standing side by side, waiting for it to open on weekend powder day? Seems like there is a risk ski areas are ordered to shut in WA.

[buckethead]

Quote Originally Posted by Huskydoc View Post
I'll ask you this:.Would you support a for-profit police force that only responds to 911 if you're current on your premiums?

this is pretty much the slam dunk end of argument.

yes that and the horror of for-profit fire-fighting. i remember a story years ago about a man watching his house burn down as the assembled fire crew stood down. he hadn't subscribed to and paid for the 'priviledge' of having fire-fighting service.

if is a supreme victory of propaganda that people supposedly fear their high-deductable, bankruptcy-inducing private coverage being replaced with the kind of medical system found in every other industrialized democracy.

a sort of stockholm syndrome i say...

[subtle plague]

Oh ski area closings are coming closer ticino closes all ski resorts.

[rod9301]

Maybe some places. The most socialized plan--Britain's NHS, came out of the government hospitals that dealt with victims of the Blitz in WWII. Most medicine in Europe is not socialized--the governments do not own and run most of the health care facilities or directly employ doctors. Germany is a lot like us--the government doesn't run the hospitals or employ the doctors, but people are automatically enrolled in a health plan if they don't do it on their own, and the govt pays if the patients can't--at least that's how I remember what my German dentist friend told me. Single payer is not socialism. Socialism is when the govt directly owns and operates an industry. I suppose you could call Medicare and most European health care to be socialized health insurance, but not socialized health care. Sounds like splitting hairs but the difference is huge.

BTW, we have socialism right here in Truckee. The govt (ie PUD) supplies electricity and water. No one seems to mind. OTOH trash hauling is done by a private company. Everyone seems to mind.

Well said

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[subtle plague]

ischgl closes on the 14th.

[406]

WAPO: "White House considers moving all of Europe to restrictive travel advisory"

" the White House is considering moving all of Europe to a Level 3 travel advisory, discouraging all nonessential travel to those regions.

President Trump said he will address the nation at 8 p.m."

[anotherVTskibum]

WAPO: "White House considers moving all of Europe to restrictive travel advisory"

" the White House is considering moving all of Europe to a Level 3 travel advisory, discouraging all nonessential travel to those regions.

President Trump said he will address the nation at 8 p.m."

..because the problem is in Europe, and we don't already have cases spreading via community transmission in the U.S., so discouraging some travel should be an effective step.

I am wondering about the U.S. national ski-racing events still on the schedule later in this month and beginning of April. I'm not sure we're at a point where regional events are a significant risk, but the national events bring together athletes, coaches, and officials (as well as support staff, family, etc) who have been all over the world.

[skier666]

SF just put a hold on SF Little League through March 22nd...just waiting for our schools to follow suit. If that happens, the family is going skiing...and some remote school work of course

[paulster2626]

I know this shouldn't be my number one concern, but I'll admit I'm worried about my upcoming trip to Whistler. If Washington goes to stage 5 that would mean no non-emergency travel.

I'm feeling uneasy as well - flying out on Monday, albeit domestically. We have a plan for the plane which involves a shitton of lysol wipes, hand sanitizer, forbidden from the bathroom, and a big "no thank you" to the drink cart.

The skiing itself doesn't really concern me - most people have some sort of face covering which has to help somewhat, and we all wear gloves and shit, I dunno....

It's just a bummer because the 24 year old aussie making my bison burger who doesn't get paid if he calls in sick cannot be fully trusted. And fondue is definitely out of the question. And sushi too... nooooooo NOT THE SUSHI!!!

[406]

Mortality rates in my age group are like .2% and I got sick about 1 time per couple years prior to kids, so I'm not really concerned about catching covid during travel.

[Mofro261]

Mortality rates in my age group are like .2% and I got sick about 1 time per couple years prior to kids, so I'm not really concerned about catching covid during travel.

No the concern is you catching it (though mortality rates aside you don't want to get viral pneumonia), not knowing you are an acitve transmitter, then mingling/interacting with anyone who may then go on to interact with succeptible populations (old/sick/old and sick) and continuing the transmission in age groups with higher mortality.

[funkendrenchman]

..because the problem is in Europe, and we don't already have cases spreading via community transmission in the U.S., so discouraging some travel should be an effective step.

I am wondering about the U.S. national ski-racing events still on the schedule later in this month and beginning of April. I'm not sure we're at a point where regional events are a significant risk, but the national events bring together athletes, coaches, and officials (as well as support staff, family, etc) who have been all over the world.

They'll be cancelled.

[Choucas]

I bailed on my trip to Switzerland yesterday. Was supposed to go on Saturday for 2 weeks of touring,off piste, & resort skiing. Odds are that all would have been fine had I gone, but still too much downside risk. I'll take a bath on some of it, but it's not that important in the big scheme. Think I'll go for a month next year to make up for what I missed this time around.