Weed Addiction or Booze Dependance. Which is Worse?

[Kinnikinnick]

The wife thinks 420.

But then shes just always on my case


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[smartyiak]

...I imagine sober folks laugh about what they see and hear around drinking people.
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I disagree. People are funny whjen they're high, but I find drunks annoying and over-bearing. When I'm sober, I don't like being around drinkers AT ALL, but I don't mind stoners.

And, I'm confident that sober people find me annoying and over-bearing...verdict still out regarding the necessity of alcohol.

[old goat]

Back in college in 1970 or so the dean of men (do colleges still have a dean of men?) told us they tolerated marijuana because there was much less breakage of dorm furniture than with alcohol. (Legal 3.2 beer at age 18, served in the student union)

[MMP]

I disagree. People are funny whjen they're high, but I find drunks annoying and over-bearing. When I'm sober, I don't like being around drinkers AT ALL, but I don't mind stoners.

i like you too buddy!

[highangle]

"Weed addiction", lol.

[Bobby Stainless]

People I know that drink but aren’t weed guys make the argument that drinking at night and getting buzzed or drunk is better than being an all day baked guy. Like restraint during the day is the differentiating factor.


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Well... In my defense, I have a condition.

I really like being stoned.

[schindlerpiste]

Mottos to live by

[SkiBall]

I think the idea that booze will just blow up your life is a little bit off though. There are tons of people walking around every day with a low level buzz. The most eye opening thing when I first got into the Booze- selling business was the size of the market for sub- 750 ml bottles. Mail carriers, maintenance men, supers, office workers, garbage collectors and all manner of people were in the store on a daily basis, grabbing concealable serving size bottles. Some guys would buy a 200 ml mid morning and another one late afternoon. I’m not defending it by any means, just reporting what I’ve seen.

Many of those are the alcoholics just trying to keep the wolves at bay until they can get home and drink like they want. They have a handle or two at home.

[irul&ublo]

I disagree. People are funny whjen they're high, but I find drunks annoying and over-bearing. When I'm sober, I don't like being around drinkers AT ALL, but I don't mind stoners.

And, I'm confident that sober people find me annoying and over-bearing...verdict still out regarding the necessity of alcohol.

But they eat all the Doritos

[fastfred]

Everything in moderation. I haven’t ever met anybody who will defend drinking to excess every day the way some dudes advocate for the wake n bake high all day lifestyle though. Whatever you do, a little in the evening, under control, is the way to go.
I think the idea that booze will just blow up your life is a little bit off though. There are tons of people walking around every day with a low level buzz. The most eye opening thing when I first got into the Booze- selling business was the size of the market for sub- 750 ml bottles. Mail carriers, maintenance men, supers, office workers, garbage collectors and all manner of people were in the store on a daily basis, grabbing concealable serving size bottles. Some guys would buy a 200 ml mid morning and another one late afternoon. I’m not defending it by any means, just reporting what I’ve seen.

the problem with alcohol or weed or anything
is afterawhile the moderation the ability to function goes out the window
I've delt with guys who are high all day and at 3pm you give them instructions and information and they are just glazed over eveything just goes right through them unable to comprehend anything
then again I've built so many houses stoned out of my mind, highly functioning stoner
been around alot of high functioning alcoholics also

just got a disturbing call from a friend the other day, I'll call him back in a day or two and I'm pretty sure he wont' remember calling me a few days ago
you wanna help but pain pills and drinking don't mix, he wants me to go bike riding with him which means a couple miles and then drinking
one of many people I know whose lives have gone down the tubes thanks to alcohol

[mtnjam]

"Weed addiction", lol.

x 2, I laughed.

[XXX-er]

the problem with alcohol or weed or anything
is afterawhile the moderation the ability to function goes out the window
I've delt with guys who are high all day and at 3pm you give them instructions and information and they are just glazed over eveything just goes right through them unable to comprehend anything
then again I've built so many houses stoned out of my mind, highly functioning stoner
been around alot of high functioning alcoholics also

just got a disturbing call from a friend the other day, I'll call him back in a day or two and I'm pretty sure he wont' remember calling me a few days ago
you wanna help but pain pills and drinking don't mix, he wants me to go bike riding with him which means a couple miles and then drinking
one of many people I know whose lives have gone down the tubes thanks to alcohol

For about 10 years I bought a lot of gear from a dread headed stoner but he always remembered everything I bought and everything I said, he very high functioning pun intended

so I think it depends on the person but still I know I can't do that ^^ maybe the key is to know your limits ?

[DBdude]

booze kills and you can make some seriously fucked up decisions on the stuff

[riser4]

booze kills and you can make some seriously fucked up decisions on the stuff

Ya, but on weed you, wait, I forgot what i was talking about, got any cookies?

[DBdude]

Seems kind of harmless... now what were we talking about


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[TNKen]

The latest THC craze, the dab pen, is supposedly as addictive as crack. Instant high, etc. I had to deal with a kid the other night that took a big hit and collapsed where she stood. Not sure how or where the electrically fueled THC fits in the addiction formula.

Had a guy on a guide trip that slammed three or four beers at 7:00 in the morning to get him to a .10, then set a timer on the hour to remind him to drink another beer to maintain the .10. He was on DUI #4.

Have a daughter that is working on a year of sobriety. I learned a lot from her detox and rehab. Basically, alcohol interacts with your brain and the release of endorphins which gets things screwed up causing the desire to drink and modify behavior. It takes a male about 12-14 months of sobriety for things to reset; a female 14-16 months. There is a drug now called Vivitrol that helps control the desire to drink until the brain can restore the endorphin levels. A pill a day or one shot per month. And will also make you deathly sick if you drink while on it.

Interestingly enough, most of the folks in her rehab were heroin addicts. A few pill heads, and a very small percentage of alcoholics. Most of the addictions are, however, overlapping.

I don't know where THC fits into the brain/endorphin system. Most folks in these programs say if you can't drink, you can't do weed and maintain sobriety.

[MMP]

The latest THC craze, the dab pen, is supposedly as addictive as crack. Instant high, etc. I had to deal with a kid the other night that took a big hit and collapsed where she stood. Not sure how or where the electrically fueled THC fits in the addiction formula.

Had a guy on a guide trip that slammed three or four beers at 7:00 in the morning to get him to a .10, then set a timer on the hour to remind him to drink another beer to maintain the .10. He was on DUI #4.

Have a daughter that is working on a year of sobriety. I learned a lot from her detox and rehab. Basically, alcohol interacts with your brain and the release of endorphins which gets things screwed up causing the desire to drink and modify behavior. It takes a male about 12-14 months of sobriety for things to reset; a female 14-16 months. There is a drug now called Vivitrol that helps control the desire to drink until the brain can restore the endorphin levels. A pill a day or one shot per month. And will also make you deathly sick if you drink while on it.

Interestingly enough, most of the folks in her rehab were heroin addicts. A few pill heads, and a very small percentage of alcoholics. Most of the addictions are, however, overlapping.

I don't know where THC fits into the brain/endorphin system. Most folks in these programs say if you can't drink, you can't do weed and maintain sobriety.

good luck to your daughter. The pens are too convenient, and I gave them up because they fucked up my lungs. I wouldnt say theyre addictive but an ability to be baked and an oral fixation are a bad combo with those.

[Marshall Tucker]

Back in college in 1970 or so the dean of men (do colleges still have a dean of men?) told us they tolerated marijuana because there was much less breakage of dorm furniture than with alcohol. (Legal 3.2 beer at age 18, served in the student union)

Old Goat given your profession, what's your opinion on the OP's question?

[XXX-er]

keep in mind MJ was a different thing back in 1970

[The AD]

Everything in moderation. I haven’t ever met anybody who will defend drinking to excess every day the way some dudes advocate for the wake n bake high all day lifestyle though.

I think this is a good point. Going through your life more or less constantly under the influence of either alcohol or THC can't be good.

Overall, though, there's no question that alcohol dependence is worse.

[scrambledbacon]

I salute anyone who has come to realize they have an issue with any said substance. IME I've seen ETOH destroy or really fuck up more lives that most other intoxicants(or be the "gateway" drug....but that's for another time)

My best friend was a high functioning alcoholic, went to AA, subbed it with weed but couldn't kick it. They really wanted to but the CNS becomes so dependant on it(as well as fucking up endorphin balance). Seemingly at wits end, he gave microdosing boomers a shot. ~ 9 months dry. Cravings/compulsions practically went away after a few micro dosing sessions other than a few drunk dreams where he wakes up terrified he was drinking again lol

I have a feeling boomers are gonna completely rewrite mental health practices within 10 years. It was almost frightening the change I saw in him(for the better)

P.S.
Weed for da mudda fuqin win

[Thaleia]

keep in mind MJ was a different thing back in 1970

About that..

https://twitter.com/DanaLarsen/statu...41723969900544

[RootSkier]

Most folks in these programs say if you can't drink, you can't do weed and maintain sobriety.

If they are in a 12-step program, of course they think that.

But there are lots of people out there who are "sober" (i.e. stopped drinking) but still smoke the weed. Plenty of famous ones too. Jason Isbell is an example right off the top of my head, he is open about both substances. I have other friends who stopped drinking and other drugs and they seem to do OK just on the weed.

[RootSkier]

About that..

https://twitter.com/DanaLarsen/statu...41723969900544

Fucking awesome thread. Really inspiring me to take some edibles, hit the pen, and smoke a j later tonight. I am going to get 12,600 times higher than anyone ever could in the 1960s!

[iceman]

I've got to find a better source, I never even get 10,000 times as stoned as I used to in the day. 8,9, tops.