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Thread: What's with all the Marker hate?
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02-27-2020, 12:01 AM #26
Former shop tech here. Marker should get credit for great documentation, and easy installation. Unlike Dynafit, they don't seem to change their hole pattern every 12 months.
But the "Biometric" toe (pre-2007 era) bindings were notorious for pre-releasing. Marker touring bindings are popular, but have had durability issues (to their credit, they continue to push the envelope with creative designs.) And entry-level Marker bindings are little better cheap plastic with a rubber band inside.
The Jester/Griffon binding is perfectly fine and continues to slowly improve, although I prefer Salomon STH(2) for weight, performance, safety, and ease of use.
Ultimately, a ski binding is a safety device. If it releases too early or too late, it's putting your safety in danger.
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02-27-2020, 12:28 AM #27
My favorite tech (miss you out at Donner Lake Greg) told me that in his experience Markers are less likely to test to spec than other bindings.
Worth mentioning that the heel pieces on Royals traps snow and it melts in your car. Not an issue if you use a ski rack.
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02-27-2020, 05:01 AM #28Rod9301
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02-27-2020, 06:41 AM #29
Markers are the Ebikes of ski bindings
watch out for snakes
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02-27-2020, 06:48 AM #30Registered User
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02-27-2020, 07:22 AM #31Registered User
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I skied a Griffon about 3 years ago, which is the last time I was in a marker clamp. I honestly don’t have much of a need or desire to pay to try their latest stuff; that being said, if you or Marker want to send me the latest stuff I’d give it a go...
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02-27-2020, 07:53 AM #32
im not so much a hater as I don't personally use shit that other companies make better
and way to much fail in my decades of tech time"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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02-27-2020, 08:15 AM #33Undertow
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^^^^this...! Best statement is this thread... I have one pair of Jesters as I got them free and def did not love them... I also have Looks but primarily rock Sth 16s and to me the Jester family falls way short of what Sollie and Look put out...
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02-27-2020, 08:26 AM #34
What's with all the Marker hate?
If you’re paid to ski for Volkl, K2, or Line it is likely that your contract says you have to ski markers.
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02-27-2020, 08:48 AM #35
anecdotally:
re: release-biased twincam toes:
I left a set of Marker Comp 12s on some bump skis I bought a few years ago.
We hand built kickers on our little zipper line course. I was the only idiot there to space-monkey crash test them. Then I was determined to spin during the comp, even though I had taken a solemn vow of "no air" since like 2007. So there I was, at age 40, throwing 3s into ice bumps, kicking off toe releases left and right. Those comp 12s were perfect for reliable breakaway releases. I probably had 20 or 30 releases from those things with my lower body intact. Perfect for that one particular scenario where I really didn't want a ton of elasticity and retention for "trying to hang on and pull it out" scenarios. I could easily see many of those wrecks being injury wrecks on a very elastic rig.
On the other hand, I have a set of comp 20s that are as heavy and gnarly and retention-biased as any greenspring Salomon or Pivot 18.
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02-27-2020, 08:57 AM #36Registered User
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For Sale:
If you're in the Northeast and would like to borrow some Jigarex Plates I have:
Rossi/Look plates
Salomon Warden 13 plates
Marker Kingpin Plates
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02-27-2020, 09:05 AM #37
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02-27-2020, 10:53 AM #38
As always it's tough to measure anecdotal experiences as real data. It's unfortunate there isn't more quantitative data out there considering the recall.
I'm pretty careful about managing my gear for deeper backcountry, actually have a pair of boards with inserts and pack a backup heel, toe, and set of screws for hut trips or longer one day objectives. I'll ski these Kingpins with some reservation inbounds for awhile before I get real comfortable I'm sure.
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02-27-2020, 11:07 AM #39
I've had zero Markers in my personal quiver for years for the reasons stated previously in this thread (exception was a gen 2 non-recall Kingpin which worked flawlessly). Then I skied a bunch of the new bindings at demo days this month and was blown away at how easy they were to step in to. Still not quite as easy as Salomon STH2/Warden or Tyrolia Attack, but on a par with Look.
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02-27-2020, 01:36 PM #40indentured servant
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what's orange and looks good on hippies?
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02-27-2020, 03:20 PM #41
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02-27-2020, 08:00 PM #42
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02-27-2020, 08:47 PM #43Registered User
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I've had every generation of royal bindings without any issues. The re-design for 20/21 though... the heel looks even more phallic than any design in the past.
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02-27-2020, 08:58 PM #44Rod9301
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02-28-2020, 12:39 AM #45Registered User
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The fact that the brand name is a verb for pre-releasing, aka, I Markered out on that last run, says it all.
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02-28-2020, 01:54 AM #46
^ Same, though I only have two pair of Markers. Seems like it should be standard procedure to grease the baseplates where they touch the brake and heel piece, so the whole assembly can move smoothly as the ski flexes. If it's sticky, your forward pressure fluctuates as the ski flexes, instead of the heel moving back and forth a bit like bindings with a greased metal channel do (STH, Attack, etc). A little grease makes a big difference.
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02-28-2020, 07:26 AM #47
Do they have snow in social media?
Is that Ikon or Epic?watch out for snakes
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02-28-2020, 09:27 AM #48
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02-28-2020, 12:39 PM #49indentured servant
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what's orange and looks good on hippies?
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02-28-2020, 07:59 PM #50
This! +1000
And the heel piece [On the old worm-drive forward adjust] is simply unmatched by any other binding I've used for the ability to really smash your thumb while adjusting DINS and operating the binding closed/open.
Other than those two PITA things, they seem fine.
I wouldn't pick them as my first choice, but it certainly wouldn't detract me if they were cheap enough.
Ski fine. No worse release/retention than most anything else I've skied.
Solid option.
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