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Thread: Weight Weenie Touring Tips
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02-20-2020, 12:46 AM #51Rod9301
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02-20-2020, 12:47 AM #52Rod9301
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Agreed, to imply they are essential would be foolish. You know what’s just as foolish, other than not having a healthy fear anytime you step into the backcountry? To imply there will never be a situation where the use of an airbag pack could save someone’s life, even when a skier/rider makes the best, most responsible decisions.
I don’t know....I’ve seen an awful lot of videos of pro riders who are sporting airbag packs in the backcountry. Don’t most (all) of the riders on the FWT wear them? Personal decisions, I get it, but you can’t dispute that a lot of knowledgeable, careful people are using them.
Hey, I don’t ski with one either, but not because I don’t think they could be useful. For me it’s a cost-benefit decision. The amount of days I spend in the backcountry, combined with my conservative decision making, makes me comfortable with my personal choice not to lay out the $$ and ski with one.....but if money were no object you bet I’d add that layer of extra insurance.
Your decision not to use one because you, or any skier who knows what he or she is doing, can mitigate 100% of risk in the backcountry.....well, that’s just pure hubris.
Seriously, you guys seem like walking heuristic traps. Stay safe out there.
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02-20-2020, 07:57 AM #55Rod9301
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I have an airbag, haven't used it in 4 years.
I think it depends where you're skiing.
Continental climate, sure. But i ski in a Maritime climate.
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02-20-2020, 08:50 AM #56Registered User
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In keeping with this thread, I suggest it’s also possible to make sensible weight:benefit calculations for everything we take ski touring. I don’t accept that risk is exempt from these calculations, and that if 100% certainty is your standard, then ski touring probably isn’t the game for you.
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02-20-2020, 10:05 AM #57Registered User
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If you are saying that intelligent backcountry skiers can consider weight:benefit calculations and personally assess risks, leading some to carry airbag packs and some not to, then we are in total agreement. I thought your initial comment implied only clueless Euros and dads on vacation would ever carry such a thing.
On the whole weight thing, my pack is always heavy as shit. I bring a lot of water, but I drink it all. The bladder on back to melt snow thing is intriguing. I need to bring less food because I never eat it all.
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02-20-2020, 11:00 AM #58Registered User
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Then we agree. I hydrate before skiing, drink from creeks (if accessible), pace myself so as to not sweat, and only carry a 1 litre Nalgene bottle (also good for fishing for water down deep holes) for a full day of touring. Sometimes I end the day thirsty, but that just makes the first beer so much more satisfying.
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02-20-2020, 12:22 PM #59Registered User
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02-20-2020, 12:38 PM #60
First rule of endurance pursuits is that your body carries water better than any vessel. Forego the alcohol and caffeine for 24 hours and you won't have to stop to pee twelve times on the skintrack.
I like the article, but although I don't know Teague I know his type. He has a valid point that we either tend to embrace the light is right philosophy or write it off.
The thing I would differ about, is that I don't ski with a pack of hyenas every outing. This article reads like a manifesto of how to fit in with your local hard charging ski rando road cycling scene. Sure, it's hard to tuck into the paceline with hairy legs, most of us get that. Should be followed up with an article about how real friends are more valuable than Strava times. Whomever said it's all training weight, I salute you. Geek out for events or your weekly wolf pack yo yo trip, but don't be the guy that rides off every time the Jong in the back catches up to the rest spot.
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02-20-2020, 12:57 PM #61
Preposterous. Live and die by the Strava times. There's no other way to measure one's self worth.
It always blows my mind when I accidentally leave the watch on driving away from the trailhead, it posts as a KOM for a road segment with a completely ridiculous time, and a least 5 fucking randos report the time and file a complaint with Strava cause there's some cheating going on. Who can possibly give that much of a shit? The hamsters in the Wasatch wheel, that's who.
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02-20-2020, 01:03 PM #62
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02-20-2020, 01:36 PM #64
Gotta fight the outdoor elite clique mentality...
Everyone has to learn from someone, go out and mentor a Jong rather than chastise him for skinning too slowly.
Safety is always a concern, but hopefully some of us have been around long enough to be both safe and welcoming. More heuristic traps with more knowledgeable partners, sometimes a one chief system is safer. The Jong might not be able to help me, but at least he might try. The guy with half a toothbrush in his pack is going to freeze to death before you fix a broken binding. Every man for himself builds independent strong skiers, but expeditions built on trust build community which I find to be in shorter supply nearly every damn day.
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02-21-2020, 06:19 AM #67Registered User
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You people are weak. In Switzerland we carry shovel, probe and Fondue set
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02-21-2020, 07:33 AM #68
Snowshoe with my friends and get to top for pics and rest. He pulls out a stove and makes cocoa. It was the best
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02-23-2020, 12:59 AM #69
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02-23-2020, 01:14 AM #70Rod9301
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02-24-2020, 10:45 AM #71guy who skis
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Interesting point. Though in terms of balancing interests, if the goal of less weight is more speed, snow melting time takes away from that. And the 2.2lb of water weight goes away once I drink it, but the stove weight is there for the whole tour. But stove weight probably makes sense if you're looking at an all-day effort where lugging enough water for proper hydration would be back-breaking.
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02-24-2020, 01:59 PM #72Rod9301
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02-24-2020, 08:07 PM #73
Thx, gonna buy one. My summer mtn biking has evolved toward a single water bottle and an MSR mini filter hand pump. 8 hr rides, drinking as much as I want from streams and tarns. No reason not to do this on skis too. Way back in the day I used to do this with large Nalgenes in the E Sierra but I guess I stopped somewhere along the way..
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