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  1. #226
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    Quote Originally Posted by powdork View Post
    told ya lasers was all it would take.
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    Victim was an MD at Credit Suisse. This is going to be one impressive settlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel View Post
    Here is the sensor for the safety bar on a Doppelmayr HSQ at sugarbush. Conduit mounted emitter and sensor to pick up reflected light from strip on safety bar if it is down. Wouldn't take much to add another sensor and strips to detect the seat being up.
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    I was ready to load a chair at vail (skyline in fact, IIRC), and the chair came around with the safety bar down. Everyone was heads-up enough to scramble, in a panic, into the pit in front of the loading zone. So thankfully no incident/injury. But the chair did not stop or slow, until we were all well out of the way (and in fact until the next chair had already loaded).

    So evidently they donít have that sensor.

    Detachable chairs are safer, largely, but a side effect is the lift op is not necessarily paying any attention (donít have to bump, so unless doing ramp work, are most likely holed up in the shack, looking at porn or whatever on their phone).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoova View Post
    Victim was an MD at Credit Suisse. This is going to be one impressive settlement.
    Whats an MD and Credit Suisse? And why will that make for an impressive settlement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclebill View Post
    Whats an MD and Credit Suisse? And why will that make for an impressive settlement?
    Loss of earning is substantial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclebill View Post
    Whats an MD and Credit Suisse? And why will that make for an impressive settlement?
    Managing Directors at major financial services firms are well compensated. At 46, he had 10-15 years of serious earning ahead of him, which means a substantial damages claim in the wrongful death action. High potential damages and the prospect of some very negative press as the litigation progresses will likely make VA eager to settle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoova View Post
    Managing Directors at major financial services firms are well compensated. At 46, he had 10-15 years of serious earning ahead of him, which means a substantial damages claim in the wrongful death action. High potential damages and the prospect of some very negative press as the litigation progresses will likely make VA eager to settle.
    I see. Nothing to do with what really happened or who is at fault though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclebill View Post
    I see. Nothing to do with what really happened or who is at fault though.
    Sure.

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    There's security cameras everywhere now. I'd bet a beer the whole thing is on a HD somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoova View Post
    Managing Directors at major financial services firms are well compensated. At 46, he had 10-15 years of serious earning ahead of him, which means a substantial damages claim in the wrongful death action. High potential damages and the prospect of some very negative press as the litigation progresses will likely make VA eager to settle.
    The Colorado ski safety act caps wrongful death damages except punitives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark View Post
    The Colorado ski safety act caps wrongful death damages except punitives.
    I'm not sure that is a hard cap ...

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    Uh, oh, time for major thread revision. Reports are this guy did not fall through chair.

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    no one really knows what happened
    multiple stories sheriff corner and vail are very tight lipped small town at it's best
    read an article in the denver post today and the state run tramway board won't say a thing, not statement no nothing
    the article list incidents publicly but will not list what lift and resort the incidents happened at, that sounds like alot of bs to me
    it's going to take five years and a room full of lawyers to get the truth out
    even if the seat was down, the riders had a problem and the lifty wasn't paying attention the least bit and didn't hit the stop button until it was too late

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain View Post
    There's security cameras everywhere now. I'd bet a beer the whole thing is on a HD somewhere.

    Thereís an article with a lawyer asking why there arenít cameras everywhere.. I canít seem to find it though, which makes me think there either arenít cameras or the video evidence has been misplaced.

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    No eyewitnesses? Was nobody there to see this?


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    Here's the latest I've seen: https://www.denverpost.com/2020/02/2...investigation/

    Not that it makes anything much clearer. What I can't understand is: according to that article, the deceased loaded the lift with his friend he was skiing with. Evidently they both had to bail off the lift - the one guy died, and the other sounds like he was fine. How do we not know every detail, since there was an eyewitness...ON THE CHAIR WHERE IT HAPPENED? And what, were those two the only ones skiing that day? How are there not more witnesses?

    It makes sense that Vail is not revealing any details, as there will surely be litigation. But how have no witnesses come forward in the press or social media (not that I would see it in the latter, because...fuck social media!)? Seems pretty strange.

    P.S. As mentioned in the article (but not related to this incident)...WTF is a "professional slackliner"? Did not know that was a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel View Post
    Loss of earning is substantial.

    https://www.indeed.com/
    That's just salary there. Add to that bonus which is usually 1-3x salary for the average bulge-bracket MD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark View Post
    The Colorado ski safety act caps wrongful death damages except punitives.
    The Colorado Ski Safety Act doesn't apply to incidents related to lifts -- only skiing hazards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    The Colorado Ski Safety Act doesn't apply to incidents related to lifts -- only skiing hazards.

    I'll bet a beer that will change after this incident. Vail is going to do everything they can to paint this an inherent risk of the sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    I'll bet a beer that will change after this incident. Vail is going to do everything they can to paint this an inherent risk of the sport.
    I'll bet a 6 pack you're wrong. That would mean a fundamental re-structuring of numerous statutes outside of the Colorado Ski Safety Act.

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    It's riding a lift part of skiing, and therefore covered? It is like saying getting hit while standing on a ski run while skis is not skiing because, well you are standing not skiing. How about if you are side slipping or snow plowing, is that really skiing. What happens when you fall and are sliding or tumbling, technically you are no longer skiing, right?

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    The Colorado Ski Safety Act defines “inherent dangers and risks of skiing” as "those dangers or conditions that are part of the sport of skiing, including changing weather conditions;  snow conditions as they exist or may change, such as ice, hard pack, powder, packed powder, wind pack, corn, crust, slush, cut-up snow, and machine-made snow;  surface or subsurface conditions such as bare spots, forest growth, rocks, stumps, streambeds, cliffs, extreme terrain, and trees, or other natural objects, and collisions with such natural objects;  impact with lift towers, signs, posts, fences or enclosures, hydrants, water pipes, or other man-made structures and their components;  variations in steepness or terrain, whether natural or as a result of slope design, snowmaking or grooming operations, including but not limited to roads, freestyle terrain, jumps, and catwalks or other terrain modifications;  collisions with other skiers;  and the failure of skiers to ski within their own abilities.  The term “inherent dangers and risks of skiing” does not include the negligence of a ski area operator as set forth in section 33-44-104(2) . Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the liability of the ski area operator for injury caused by the use or operation of ski lifts."

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    What @altasnob said.

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