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02-13-2020, 10:30 AM #301Registered User
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But one thing never changes and makes or breaks a ski hill, fall line! And Jackson has that in spades!
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02-13-2020, 10:32 AM #302
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02-13-2020, 10:33 AM #303Discounted cash flow (DCF) is a valuation method used to estimate the value of an investment based on its future cash flows. ... DCF analysis finds the present value of expected future cash flows using a discount rate. A present value estimate is then used to evaluate a potential investment.
You are kinda making my point. What about the idea that the mega passes will increase in price until the resorts operate at but not above capacity? Remember skiing is the loss leader. You know what most businesses do when they can't keep up with demand right?
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02-13-2020, 10:48 AM #304
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02-13-2020, 10:54 AM #305
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02-13-2020, 04:21 PM #306
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02-13-2020, 06:11 PM #307Registered User
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fixed it for you
JHMR's dirty little secret
in bounds you're lucky if you get just a few degrees N of E
true north facing = granite canyon
Tower 3 = NE
Cody = NE
Alta Chutes = NE
Corbett's = NE
and that's the very best of it
Bowl = pure South
Headwall = SE
Hobacks = SE
Lower Faces = SE
Any time you think you're skiing North Facing, it's probably ESE
now we've passed January, get ready for sun fucked snow.
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02-13-2020, 06:24 PM #308Banned
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02-13-2020, 07:32 PM #309
How is that a dirty little secret?
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02-13-2020, 07:35 PM #310
I had a 12 boat wait at Snowbird once - that wasn’t even feasible before Ikon. I laugh when you talk about 5 cars at JH
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02-13-2020, 07:45 PM #311
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02-13-2020, 07:46 PM #312
Too much demand on high demand days is obvious.
On the other hand, the resort wants to increase the number of skiers overall so that off peak days aren’t quite as empty. However, now matter how much marketing they do, everyone still seems to come on the same day. Which simply means the resort is not doing a great job at demand planning and revenue management.
I think we’ve done a good job covering disparate pass prices. Passes that cause people to ski midweek would certainly help. Passes that black out on powder days would help. Passes with more blackouts would help. More expensive passes would help.
However, I also believe the resorts that have overcrowding issues need to help disperse crowds across the mountain more efficiently.
The number one thing that would help on crowded days (besides limiting the number of guests) would be installing real time lift line information at the top and bottom of every lift. This type of signage is inexpensive and fairly effective (look at Disney). For the signs to function effectively, the queue data must be updated constantly so that the information is actually helpful to the customers. If, skiers used the sign information as they ski even close to how well queue signs are used by customers for decision making across other industries (about 50% usage) to choose their next lift, the resort’s lift facilities will be used more efficiently. Other industries that have done this have seen close to a 40% decrease in the number of customers that have to wait in line for more than 10 minutes.
It would also certainly help to increase the number of ski patrollers so that terrain can open more quickly after a storm.
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02-13-2020, 08:01 PM #313
It’s only the loss leader for Vail.
Resorts on Ikon that aren’t owned by Ikon are not getting anywhere close to the economics that Vail is getting with Epic
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02-13-2020, 08:09 PM #314
Here is one other point to consider.
Resorts love families. Families spend more on food, lodging, rentals, and lessons than any other group.
But families are full of beginner and intermediate skiers (for the most part) and generally have a bigger impact on degrading service standards than do expert skiers.
So balancing this against the prospective increase in the potential erosion of long-term profits from expert skiers who cannot tolerate the degrading service standard (long wait times and over crowded runs) is something every resort deals with.
Not defending the resorts, but if we weren’t all dirtbags they’d probably cater to us more.
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02-13-2020, 08:16 PM #315
Case in point - Big Sky. On a recent, non weekend powder day. Only two lifts really out of the base. One lift on hold briefly, the other they couldn't get running for some reason until 10am. Result? Massive, read 45min wait on the one running chair with no other lift to run to.
One hour wait in the tram line this last weekend. All day long !! Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday - probably 3 or 4 car first thing a.m.. 1 or 2 max otherwise with walk on trams late afternoon.
Lots and lots of weekenders from Utah and Colorado.
We now redirect you back to the "Ikon Pass" thread.
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02-13-2020, 08:44 PM #316Registered User
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While not available at every resort, ikon issued an app that allows for this. I have used it successfully at Mammoth to steer away from crowds. On a big mountain with lots of lifts to choose from, it makes a lot of sense. A place like Alta, probably not so much.
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02-13-2020, 09:28 PM #317
At snowbird, when tram is 4+ boats deep, I frequently wonder how bad gadzoom is and how bad little cloud is, or how bad mineral basin is - primarily because I can use those lifts to access cirque/baldy ... but without knowing their wait time I feel kinda screwed
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02-13-2020, 11:30 PM #318Hucked to flat once
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02-14-2020, 01:05 AM #319
Most people don't ski midweek because they're working, in case you hadn't noticed.
Blackouts on powder days?--you're insane
Increased pass prices--so only the rich can ski?
As far as more patrollers--Squaw has 55 last I heard and still can't open everything first thing after a storm. Plus, if you hire enough patrollers to somehow open faster after a storm, what are those extra patrollers supposed to do the rest of the time? Patrollers have to make rent too. (One thing you can do is install more Gazexes--they seemed to have helped Alpine Meadows open faster, Squaw not so much. Although the people who live near Alpine are upset about the noise.)
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02-14-2020, 05:12 AM #320
123posts experts in resort jeans
And doesn't git it"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
"I find I have already had my reward, in the doing of the thing" - Buzz Holmstrom
"THIS IS WHAT WE DO"-AML -ski on in eternal peace
"I have posted in here but haven't read it carefully with my trusty PoliAsshat antenna on."-DipshitDanno
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02-14-2020, 07:18 AM #321Registered User
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Have you seen the news lately?!! These are people who live to make money. They cant be this stupid and still function in the world. The only position that brings their actions into any kind of human focus is the fact that they are making more money than anybody in the history of the world and that is a big Jones to get over... especially if you are getting filthy rich off of it. Why change when you probably can't stop the problem any way( since the problem is you). Besides, money is god's way of showing favor for good deeds. After all, we will all be happy and get "education" in the camps.
I don't see that statement as pessimistic, it is prescient.
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02-14-2020, 08:07 AM #322Banned
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If you waited in a 12 boat wait line at snowbird you are an idiot.
When was that? 4th of july?
Where did the line stretch too?
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02-14-2020, 08:11 AM #323
Well, after all this bickering , I found this heartwarming.
http://arapahoebasin.blogspot.com/20...-lift.html?m=1
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02-14-2020, 08:22 AM #324
Alan is and always has been a class act.
I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
"Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"
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02-14-2020, 09:50 AM #325Registered User
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