Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

**The AD** · 04-05-2020, 09:59 AM

Some people still aren't getting this logarithmic thing.

**Ted Striker** · 04-05-2020, 10:01 AM

most people

**old goat** · 04-05-2020, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by jono

Question for docs: is there a contraindication for EPO (or similar drugs to increase red cells) in this situation?

I have been wondering about this since seeing someone die of pulmonary fibrosis, basically needing more and more oxygen as her lungs failed. Obviously not curative in that situation, but I'm curious about it with COVID. TIA

The problem is not lack of oxygen carrying capacity. The problem is lack of oxygen. In order to function properly organs need to be perfused by blood with a minimum partial pressure of oxygen (pO2). Increasing RBC's doesn't increase pO2. We long ago learned that increasing blood count above a certain minimum doesn't improved organ function or clinical condition. The magic number is not well defined and varies with the person's condition and especially their blood volume, but somewhere in hematocrit (percentage of red blood cells) range in the 20's. Normal is 40 plus/minus. So giving EPO or just transfusing doesn't help.

That NYC ER doc sounds severely sleep deprived to me. Nothing he is saying is particularly earth-shaking or novel. You know how when you are sleep deprived you get these inspirations that you are sure are going to revolutionize something or other, but turn out to be mundane? That's what he sounds like. When the lungs air sacs fill up with fluid they want to collapse and it's necessary to apply a certain amount of constant pressure to the airway to prevent that. OTOH when the lungs get filled with fluid they become stiff and harder to inflate. In severe cases the amount of constant pressure and the peak pressure to inflate the lungs can damage the lungs. There are ways to adjust the ventilator to reduce peak pressure and reduce the damage. Nothing novel about that.

The basic dilemma is that the ventilator settings that are necessary to obtain a minimum acceptable pO2 to keep a person's organs functioning can further damage the lungs. That's why in the most severe cases people are put on ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenator), where blood bypasses the lungs is is oxygenated by a machine outside the body. The lungs aren't inflated at all. Unfortunately, these machines are scarce and it sounds like the chances of surviving Covid 19 that severe are poor, Also, from some accounts I've read at least some of the patients are dying of sudden heart failure, not lung failure--sometimes after the lungs seemed to have recovered.

**old goat** · 04-05-2020, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by powdork

no real doctors are speculating that.
just
shut
up

hey, at least it sounds like he's acknowledging that there's a problem. I'd say that's progress.

**Ottime** · 04-05-2020, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by BGnight

Makes me think it isn't viral at all like I've heard some doctors speculate and instead is caused by some localized toxicity. Such a myriad of symptoms, along with dubious PCR testing, makes one think it's not one virus causing all this illness. Wuhan had exceptionally bad air quality. You could get pneumonia there simply by breathing.

Dude, this a hoax to destroy the economy. Sounds like you got hit by a chemtrail. Better go detox.

**Skistack** · 04-05-2020, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Ted Striker

covid-19 is an IQ test for America, and we're scoring near the bottom.

Yesterday I saw someone wear a mask to ride their bike to the vegetable stand, then pull the mask down to talk. I saw someone else jogging in a mask.

Saw alot on people biking in masks yesterday. One lady had the mask down, but pulled it up when she got close to someone.

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**The AD** · 04-05-2020, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by BGnight

Makes me think it isn't viral at all like I've heard some doctors speculate and instead is caused by some localized toxicity.

Localized toxicity and a worldwide pandemic don't exactly work together. Occam's razor, dude.

**Cono Este** · 04-05-2020, 10:46 AM

75% of shoppers at grocery store today wore masks. It’s scarier every time I go.

Check out gal had no gloves but wore a mask. Said she washed her hands when she got home, then proceeded to scratch her nose, with the mask pulled down, and no gloves.

I say it’s a matter of time until they fall ill, quit, and then all end up suing. Where are the Unions protecting these people?

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**subtle plague** · 04-05-2020, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by The AD

Localized toxicity and a worldwide pandemic don't exactly work together. Occam's razor, dude.

Ockham was (is? Maybe he is still alive in Antarctica!) part of the global deep state elite! He was funded by soros and ran a child porn ring from a Chinese restaurant!

**AK47bp** · 04-05-2020, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Cono Este

75% of shoppers at grocery store today wore masks. It’s scarier every time I go.

Check out gal had no gloves but wore a mask. Said she washed her hands when she got home, then proceeded to scratch her nose, with the mask pulled down, and no gloves.

I say it’s a matter of time until they fall ill, quit, and then all end up suing. Where are the Unions protecting these people?

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Well, if the workers aren’t working union dues aren’t paid.

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**4matic** · 04-05-2020, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Cono Este

. Said she washed her hands when she got home, then proceeded to scratch her nose, with the mask pulled down, and no gloves.

Gloves don't really work for that job. The germs get on the gloves are just like hands.

**Name Redacted** · 04-05-2020, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Skistack

Saw alot on people biking in masks yesterday. One lady had the mask down, but pulled it up when she got close to someone.

Saw a lot fo that too. From what I understand, covering your face with most masks and/or a buff is mainly to prevent you from infecting others, but does very little to prevent you from inhaling someone else "Respiratory Droplets".

**The AD** · 04-05-2020, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Name Redacted

Saw a lot fo that too. From what I understand, covering your face with most masks and/or a buff is mainly to prevent you from infecting others, but does very little to prevent you from inhaling someone else "Respiratory Droplets".

I think that's a mind shift most people haven't really made yet: that you aren't just wearing a mask to protect yourself, you're wearing it to protect others from catching the virus from you. Some Asian cultures have understood this for a long time and wear masks when they're sick.

**TBS** · 04-05-2020, 11:00 AM

From Nate Silver at Fivethirtyeight about why the case count numbers have little meaning
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-meaningless/

**glademaster** · 04-05-2020, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Name Redacted

Saw a lot fo that too. From what I understand, covering your face with most masks and/or a buff is mainly to prevent you from infecting others, but does very little to prevent you from inhaling someone else "Respiratory Droplets".

That's just what they're telling you because it's going to royally fuck up their ability to use facial recognition for surveillance if everyone is wearing a mask.

I went out for a walk to the next town over and back yesterday and noticed a few people wearing masks, however, the majority were wearing them over their mouths but not their noses.

**Name Redacted** · 04-05-2020, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by glademaster

That's just what they're telling you because it's going to royally fuck up their ability to use facial recognition for surveillance if everyone is wearing a mask.

I went out for a walk to the next town over and back yesterday and noticed a few people wearing masks, however, the majority were wearing them over their mouths but not their noses.

Mouth breathers...

And yeah, I don't think there's much facial recognition surveillance going on where we were.

**BCMtnHound** · 04-05-2020, 11:09 AM

What do you need facial recognition for if most everyone has a phone on their person with a mic, camera, and location services enabled?

**toast2266** · 04-05-2020, 11:10 AM

Some good ones from insta:

**mcski** · 04-05-2020, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by The AD

Localized toxicity and a worldwide pandemic don't exactly work together. Occam's razor, dude.

Come on, man. He’s doing his best to work this into another Chemtrailz plot

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**basinbeater** · 04-05-2020, 11:15 AM

^^^^ hey at least all those people recognize there is a problem. Bit smarter than the maga retards.

sent from Utah.

**rideit** · 04-05-2020, 11:19 AM

It’s actually their stock market projection after the economy opens up again on Easter.

**I Skied Bandini Mountain** · 04-05-2020, 11:20 AM

"Liegarithmic"

**old goat** · 04-05-2020, 11:25 AM

I have one of those Mardi Gras doctor's plague masks, I'm going to have to start wearing it.

**S_jenks** · 04-05-2020, 11:38 AM

I recall earlier on in this thread (or one of the other covid threads) that someone linked a google doc table recording the daily totals. Was that by country or by state? Wanting to get a hold of daily numbers by-state.

**LeeLau** · 04-05-2020, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by S_jenks

I recall earlier on in this thread (or one of the other covid threads) that someone linked a google doc table recording the daily totals. Was that by country or by state? Wanting to get a hold of daily numbers by-state.

https://ncov2019.live/data/usa

Wikipedia contributors have been scraping CDC and state health authorities for case and death stats too. Eg Georgia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020...29?wprov=sfla1