Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[huckbucket]

They're right to be pissed about masks, they're just wrong as to exactly why.

We're way behind on masks because of the stupid discussions that happened early on. At this point our "leadership" needs to come out and admit they lied about masks so we wouldn't buy up all the n95's. Show the mechanics of how this stuff works, and start testing actual masks and reporting their effectiveness. More talk is not going to convince that third of the population that's angry because they can sense they've been lied to.

For the record, I've been to Japan four times and mask use it obvious and pervasive. The masks are NOT N95, but are simple cloth or disposable, sometime kinda loose fitting. My point being that I'd be fine if the message were "wear anything on your face" considering it works for other countries where outbreaks have been contained.

[Harry]

KQ is always picking out masks for us. She found Hawaiian masks for Bunion and Bandini Mountain so they don’t look like Boogaloo Bois. She found some for me that have a little flap so my glasses don’t fog.

So I thought I would return the favor. Here you go KQ !




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[ex-powderbroker]

don jr is still tweeting about how stupid masks are.

the sad truth with the usa is that things aren’t real to the population until it happens to them.

[jono]

100% mask compliance in W2 yesterday. In DT, at the feed and grocery stores, at restaurants (when not eating obliviously).

IMO anyone who

1. Couldn't decide/figure out on their own that a face covering would mitigate the spread of a respiratory virus (we already cover coughs and sneezes) and

2. Is hung-up/surprised that government lied to them and can't move on has some growing up to do.

Where is that independent American thinking and ingenuity?

Absolutely. Loads of people out there are weirdly blind to one obvious fact: It's possible to do the right thing even though the government says you should.

Where were all these contrarians in March and April when not believing the government meant wearing masks despite what we were told?

[seano732]

How bout some bubonic plague thrown into the fucking dumpster fire that is 2020....
https://twitter.com/moscowtimes/stat...190060544?s=21

[jono]

For the record, I've been to Japan four times and mask use it obvious and pervasive. The masks are NOT N95, but are simple cloth or disposable, sometime kinda loose fitting. My point being that I'd be fine if the message were "wear anything on your face" considering it works for other countries where outbreaks have been contained.

Yup. I thought we beat this to death months ago but it hasn't completely sunk in yet even here in this softly appointed room. I expected the same as you based on fluid mechanics and personal experience with face coverings in cold/dry air. I learned the stats later. A typical example of reality being accessible from multiple perspectives if we don't put a thumb on the scale.

[Bozo T. Clown]

I'm back home after getting my first shot for a vaccine in Albuquerque yesterday.

That's where they cook up the best vaccine. The "Baby Blue ."

[Adolf Allerbush]

Oregon State Police don’t wear coronavirus masks while patronizing coffee shop, despite governor’s order



https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...ors-order.html

<making popcorn>

Update - Trooper has been placed on leave pending outcome of internal investigation. Based on comments from Superintendent of State police, Trooper “Muh Freedumz“ will be turning in his badge soon.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...ng-mask-report

So worth it! Probably a Beavers fan too.

[Ted Striker]

Idiocracy isn't a bug, it's feature of this country.

[TBS]

KQ is always picking out masks for us. She found Hawaiian masks for Bunion and Bandini Mountain so they don’t look like Boogaloo Bois. She found some for me that have a little flap so my glasses don’t fog.

So I thought I would return the favor. Here you go KQ !

Need link to vendor of these masks!

[plugboots]

Now I have “Head Like a Hole” stuck in my head.


Ain’t so bad.

[Game Over]

Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/healt...udy/index.html

This HCL saga is the new hack science “spotlight fighting” forefront.

[STLHD]

I keep hearing this kind of count exaggeration for every given situation.
Where is it documented that this is how the counts are conducted?
Cause the more I hear it, the more it sounds more like Russian trollbot disinformation rather than actual SOP.

CDC guidance for close contact exposure is being within 6ft for more than 10 minutes. So actually a fairly high bar and would not encompass the target scenario AK47 gave. There have been some examples up here where public health officials notify patrons of a bar between certain times, because it is difficult to know whether someone had close contact due to the nature of the venue.

[The SnowShow]

CDC guidance for close contact exposure is being within 6ft for more than 10 minutes. So actually a fairly high bar and would not encompass the target scenario AK47 gave. There have been some examples up here where public health officials notify patrons of a bar between certain times, because it is difficult to know whether someone had close contact due to the nature of the venue.

Is it 10 continuous minutes or total? Like what if you come in contact with the person for 4 minutes, walk away and come back in 15 mins and have 4 minutes of contact then come back in 10 and have 2 minutes of contact?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Wouldn't it be cool if at least one of these doofuses admitted to being completely wrong?

Abbot already did, kinda. Said he didn’t know the virus would spread so fast after lifting restrictions.


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[old goat]

Wouldn't it be cool if at least one of these doofuses admitted to being completely wrong?

Interesting thing I heard on the news about TX--their system has a relatiely weak governor, the Lt Gov has a lot of power, heads the legislature, and as an uber right winger has a lot of influence over all the Republican legislators and other pols who fear candidates running against them in the primaries from the right. Beto was calling it Dan Patrick's death cult.

We're way behind on masks because of the stupid discussions that happened early on. At this point our "leadership" needs to come out and admit they lied about masks so we wouldn't buy up all the n95's. Show the mechanics of how this stuff works, and start testing actual masks and reporting their effectiveness. More talk is not going to convince that third of the population that's angry because they can sense they've been lied to.

Fauci has said as much recently--that they were trying to save masks for HCW's in the beginning, although he didn't come right out and say "we lied"

Very good piece in WP about what the Fauci et al do to protect themselves in their personal lives.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...c93_story.html
Interesting that none of them had a problem with their kids going to protests. Not surprisingly the Post didn't ask them how they felt about Trump rallies.

[KQ]

Need link to vendor of these masks!

Looks like this might be a spot to pick them up:

https://www.raygunsite.com/products/...t-drink-bleach

BTW: I will once again reinterate that the Stark's and the Mambe masks are great. Stark's is nice and soft with earloops (bit big for smaller faces but fixed with cordlocks and the Mambe is great if you like a mask you can drop and hang around your neck. Mambe is a little warmer than the Stark's because of the material used but if you don't racheted it down it's fine (Mambe mask is full adjustable around the back of the neck with earloop guides).

[The AD]

Abbot already did, kinda. Said he didn’t know the virus would spread so fast after lifting restrictions.

With a big emphasis on the "kinda" considering he had earlier prohibited municipalities from enforcing required mask usage.

[LongShortLong]

Is it 10 continuous minutes or total? Like what if you come in contact with the person for 4 minutes, walk away and come back in 15 mins and have 4 minutes of contact then come back in 10 and have 2 minutes of contact?

CDC guidance for close contact exposure is being within 6ft for more than 10 minutes. So actually a fairly high bar and would not encompass the target scenario AK47 gave. There have been some examples up here where public health officials notify patrons of a bar between certain times, because it is difficult to know whether someone had close contact due to the nature of the venue.

It's a probability game. If I play the slots for 10 minutes, will I win? 4 minutes? 4 minutes more? 2 minutes after that?

Unlike the slots, there's no lights and bells for covid winners. So public health has to guess who might have won, knowing the something about the covid game's odds. Public health officials pick an arbitrary threshold between contacting everyone and contacting no one, with the goal of finding most of the higher risk contacts. Those who simply passed by the covid slots, or played for a few minutes, probably didn't win. Those who spent longer, perhaps all day, in the covid casino, probably did.

For the covid game, the goal is not to win, so I won't play if I don't need to.

[KQ]

COVID-19: Inslee statewide order will forbid service to customers not wearing face masks

OLYMPIA, Wash. — Gov. Jay Inslee on Thursday announced a series of new steps designed to curb a resurging coronavirus, including expanding an order that will allow businesses statewide to refuse service to customers who are not wearing facial coverings.

"It is a reasonable expectation for businesses to enforce this law," Inslee said. "This order gives employers an added measure of protection."

The governor had earlier issued a no mask, no service order, but it had only applied to Yakima County, which has been struggling to contain the coronavirus. His new order, which takes effect Tuesday, will now apply statewide. Inslee said, however, that customers who have an underlying medical condition that could be worsened by wearing a face mask will be exempt from the order.

"This is not an optional plan for businesses," Inslee said. "This is a legal requirement."

In addition, the governor announced that:

The state is imposing a two-week pause on all county requests to advance to a higher phase.

Some counties still in phase 1 will be allowed to move to a modified version of phase 1, allowing for private construction projects to resume and more customers can be served at restaurants and bars. The order will apply to Yakima, Benton and Franklin counties.

Bar service will be removed for those counties in phase 3, although establishments can still provide bar seating areas for customer service.

Inslee was joined during the news conference by Brad Peck, a Franklin County commissioner, Jerome Delvin, a Benton County commissioner, John Wiesman, state Health Department secretary, and Patricia Byers, the mayor of Yakima.

In an exclusive interview with KOMO News, Inslee spoke about being heckled two days ago in the Tri-Cities while addressing reporters.

“Well, we can count in my administration," Inslee said. "We had one person (or) two people who were raising their voices, and we have over 160,000 people wearing masks. That’s 160,000 to two. That’s how we count. And so that’s really good news.

“And we have the vast majority of elected officials in that community supporting this effort," Inslee said. "These are people who won votes in Tri-Cities. Anybody can sit there and make a lot of noise, but the people who are actually elected are supporting this mask measure. Both Republicans and Democrats, and I think that’s an important thing to say.”

On Wednesday, the governor announced that he was extending his "Safe Start" initiative, which outlines how Washington state counties can restart the economies, many of which came to a halt in March as the state sought to get a handle on the exploding COVID-19 pandemic.

The governor's reopen plan calls for a phased approach in order for counties to reopen. Those phases are:

Phase 1: Some outdoor recreation are allowed but the state's ban on large gatherings will remain and and only certain businesses, including construction, landscaping, automobile sales and curb-side pick up for retail sales are permitted.

Phase 2: Outdoor recreation of five or less are permitted along with in-store purchases retailers, with some restrictions, real estate transactions and hair salons and barbers are allowed to resume their operations. Restaurants can re-open provided they can accommodates half of their capacity with tables that seat no more than five people.

Phase 3: The size of outdoor groups grows to up to 50 peoples and non-essential travel is permitted; The capacity of restaurants grows to 70 percent but tables can not seat more than 10 peoples; movie theaters can reopen.

Phase 4: Public interactions resume with physical distancing; gatherings of more than 50 people are allowed; clubs, concerts and large sporting events are permitted.

No county has made it all the way to phase 4, and some counties are facing the prospect of rolling back to an earlier phase because of a surprising rise in COVID-19 cases.

[Vt-Freeheel]

[KQ]

I ❤️ Inslee. He's stood his ground. Taken the heat and made the right/tough decisons whether people like it or not.

[goldenboy]

^^^ Haha, Awesome! Our country is full of Benders.

[LongShortLong]

I went for a morning walk while my Mom slept in this morning. I wore a mask because my Mom is vulnerable. I was on the sidewalk and a car actually stopped in the street and started yelling at me about masks. Like, red in the face temper-tantrum yelling. What the fuck ?

Probably just wants to know where to get one. For some people, tantrums are easier than asking politely. Walmart sells 25 for about $20. Pleated, so they don't restrict inhaling after a good red-face yell
https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-Ply-Dis...5-ct/188634281

[seano732]

Fucking brutal article from the Atlantic.....The last line, from a former Administration official: " Here we stand, on a mountain of dead"......

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-wrong/613591/