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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    They were sitting in your seats too?


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    Yup. They moved - to their assigned seats I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    Yup. They moved - to their assigned seats I guess
    Some people are such assholes


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    I hate that shit too but keep a legit 3M N95 mask in the car for shit shows like that. I'm protected from COVIDPALOZA. Fuck the idiots who aren't protecting themselves and others. Other places a less extreme mask is fine..
    Need a Narwall for such occasions.

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    I think everyone’s going to get some type of Covid.
    Get boosted and as healthy as possible.

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    Vibes to the family. The first comment on the Seattle Times FB page was touching.

    "I hope people can take comfort in the fact that he died doing what he loved, propping up an authoritarian government abroad and ignoring public health guidance."

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    Quote Originally Posted by teletech View Post
    My part time neighbors who work in the public school system in Massachusetts say a lot of kids are really fucked up from missing a school year. The parents had to work or are never really around anyways. They needed the consistent structure.
    Oh come on, are you saying Tiktok can't keep them company???


    Quote Originally Posted by cat in january View Post
    Plans to visit Canada in two months and Switzerland in three seem dim.
    Yeah I called off plans to visit parents in Canada for Christmas. Maybe try again in spring if things slow down.

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    6) My sources say that folks inside the CDC are whispering that #Omicron is now **as contagious or more contagious than MEASLES**. We epidemiologists have been muttering it for a week. I haven’t heard any CDC or govt official admit on Television yet. They should —people need to hear it.

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    I want more data like this. I want to know what the risks are beyond "everybody is going to get it and die" stuff. This week we heard that 75% of deaths are over 65, and I had read that those deaths are concentrated in the 75 plus group. Hardly any young people are dying. But, if they are, what are the underlying conditions? I dont know that, but, the chart below may help. Now, add to that, vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, and we'd have a clearer picture of who and maybe why they are seriously sick and dying. But, I'm afraid, the media and some well meaning people dont want to bring up the dreaded "death panel" thing, and fat shaming is also off the table, which is ironic, because the nation just got a lot fatter over the last 20 months locked down and ordering Dominoes every night. With extra cheese in the crust. And cheese on the side.

    Amazing that obesity is a much more dangerous underlying condition than lung disease during a viral attack that shuts down the respiratory system.


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    One of the risks is that the healthcare system can’t handle the cases and deaths they are seeing.

    There’s an individual risk and a societal risk to this virus. Most people only consider the individual risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkendrenchman View Post
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    6) My sources say that folks inside the CDC are whispering that #Omicron is now **as contagious or more contagious than MEASLES**. We epidemiologists have been muttering it for a week. I haven’t heard any CDC or govt official admit on Television yet. They should —people need to hear it.
    that dude peddled panic porn, fuckhim.

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    Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    that dude peddled panic porn, fuckhim.
    There’s a sense of panic in his tweets, but his info is legit.

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    This was way back in early August.. Omicron says hold my beer.. 'Murikkka!

    Florida’s Death Toll Now Exceeds DeSantis’ Margin of Victory
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkendrenchman View Post
    One of the risks is that the healthcare system can’t handle the cases and deaths they are seeing.

    There’s an individual risk and a societal risk to this virus. Most people only consider the individual risk.
    And hardly anybody is considering the mental health issues that are being fueled and amplified by this pandemic. Those will be with us for a very long time. I'm not arguing for or against lockdown, but, it's not as easy as everybody stay home. Never was.

    CNN interviewed a young woman in a hospital room in Michigan the other day. Looked like she was ready to leave, sitting on the side of a bed. She was enormous. At least 400 pounds, probably more. And still, unvaccinated and expressing no desire to get poked, probably because, natural immunity. This shit really pisses me off. I'm sorry, I've had it. Enough already. Isolate the vulnerable, and let the rest of us live. But first, we have to release the data collected over twenty months of who is vulnerable, and start teaching people, dont be that, or you're going to get real fucked up and die.

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    Says one of the vulnerable.

    Benny, do you read that graphic you posted as reflecting the much higher incidence of obesity compared with lung diseases or do you understand it to mean that a given individual with obesity is at almost triple the risk of death compared to someone the same age with a lung disease?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Says one of the vulnerable.

    Benny, do you read that graphic you posted as reflecting the much higher incidence of obesity compared with lung diseases or do you understand it to mean that a given individual with obesity is at almost triple the risk of death compared to someone the same age with a lung disease?
    The latter. But, I want to know more.

    And, yeah, I'm more vulnerable, I suppose, if age is the sole factor you're using to determine that. But, I'm in much better shape than millions ten years younger, and continue to exercise and eat well during all this. I think we're watching a culling of a generation that made it to an age they never would have been just fifty years ago, especially if they were so godawful out of shape. But, there weren't so many fat people just fifty years ago. That's an epidemic, too, and a pretty serious one. Like Zappa said, in the near future, being fat will be normal, and he was right. He should have stopped smoking, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    The latter. But, I want to know more.
    Do you have a link to that?

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    To what? No, if it's the source of the chart. I found it on a links page on a financial site I visit daily. Check out the source in the lower left.

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    There's some reason to infer that people in greater physical cardiovascular condition might be more at risk than those in average physical cardiovascular condition. This shit inters through your mouth and nose and takes root in your lungs. The stronger your ability to take in oxygen and process it through the lungs to the blood stream, the more viral particles you're sucking in and mainlining when near someone who is shedding the shit. So, I wouldn't be too confident that being in much better shape gives me an edge over someone in average shape..
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    Give me the data then. Because, it seems to me, old, fat people are most vulnerable, and young, healthy athletes are the least.
    I just read about Cornell and Princeton and other schools shutting down, (gee, coincidentally right before Xmas break), and, hidden in the articles is that there were no reports of serious illness among students, let alone death. Just positive testing. Thousands upon thousands of healthy kids, and nobody is hospitalized.

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    Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

    “Healthy” kids that interact daily with older faculty, staff, and members of the community. There’s a forest surrounding these trees you keep focusing on.
    Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Give me the data then. Because, it seems to me, old, fat people are most vulnerable, and young, healthy athletes are the least.
    I just read about Cornell and Princeton and other schools shutting down, (gee, coincidentally right before Xmas break), and, hidden in the articles is that there were no reports of serious illness among students, let alone death. Just positive testing. Thousands upon thousands of healthy kids, and nobody is hospitalized.
    For younger people, absolutely way more likely to survive with minimal impact.. but not 100%. The immune system of active people is stronger,, but their intake of air is also stronger, So probably more likely to get it but also more likely to recover. Look at all the sports teams blowing up right now. Tied with a legit commodity like YOUR age that is a double clusterfuck. A stronger, more efficient cardiopulmonary system for bringing in and processing large amounts of virus laden air is why these athletes are still getting it even fully vaxxed. ya, they're also way more likely to crush it.. But older folks like us aren't, even if healthier.

    Study in progress, more data to come.. But conjecture tells me that a more efficient and more powerful set of lungs will be harvesting more viral particles than a less efficent one... hence all these athletes getting it.. Close proximity is also definitely a factor.. mask use in close proximity.. lots of factors.. but better lungs are better lungs for capturing whatever's in the air around them.. and you..

    Duke studying how top athletes are impacted by COVID-19 infections
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Give me the data then. Because, it seems to me, old, fat people are most vulnerable, and young, healthy athletes are the least.
    I just read about Cornell and Princeton and other schools shutting down, (gee, coincidentally right before Xmas break), and, hidden in the articles is that there were no reports of serious illness among students, let alone death. Just positive testing. Thousands upon thousands of healthy kids, and nobody is hospitalized.
    Generally agree, but would note that my niece is at college back east and got the Rona...she had symptoms and was laid up for a few days...she was fully vaccinated but not boosted....so they are not asymptomatic necessarily....but she didn't end up in the hospital either.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    I don't see your graphic specifically in this paper, but the same authors and aOR for obesity, so probably the same dataset.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Deliver...884933&mirid=1

    I'm not trying to attack its credibility, but the data on obesity looks weak. Check out the graphs and you'll notice that they don't have an aOR for obesity below 50yo. And as they note, age is a factor throughout, with the conditions studied having less effect on older age groups than younger ones.

    IOW: being old and healthy is less helpful than being healthy if you're young, and while some conditions put a young person at a higher risk than healthy older people, that's the exception. Most of the time age dominates, which makes cutting off the obesity numbers below 50 extra questionable. They only had 1500 people in the sample who had obesity listed (out of 125k with some condition), so probably the numbers just weren't high enough to be conclusive in younger age groups--which ought to tell you something on its own about the risk for young fat people. Most of the rest of these conditions didn't need to drop younger ages.

    ETA: Simply put: it doesn't look like the conclusion being offered by the financial folks' graphic is supported by that data, because the results aren't comparable between conditions without controlling the same way for age in each condition.

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    Whatever, give me more data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Whatever, give me more data.
    Demonstrate that isolating the vulnerable works. Sounds great to me. Start with nursing homes. For a country that won't properly quarantine travelers, won't do a proper lockdown, and won't get vaccinated, I'm seeing little chance it can protect the vulnerable. Let's call it no chance. We'd rather suffer.

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