Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

**bennymac** · 01-12-2021, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by DJSapp

FIL test results came back positive today. He's currently on supplemental O2. Not sure what his numbers were, but O2 has been of issue lately so it's not a precaution.

He did get the first vaccine dose Friday, but not soon enough to beat it out. Something like 70% of the nursing home has it and we knew it was a race to beat it out.

Fuck.

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Dude I can imagine the anxiety in your family right now. My parents are in the same race. Positive vibes sent your way.

**bodywhomper** · 01-12-2021, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by DJSapp

FIL test results came back positive today. He's currently on supplemental O2. Not sure what his numbers were, but O2 has been of issue lately so it's not a precaution.

He did get the first vaccine dose Friday, but not soon enough to beat it out. Something like 70% of the nursing home has it and we knew it was a race to beat it out.

Fuck.

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Same FIL that had an ER trip recently?

**Harry** · 01-13-2021, 08:44 AM

My mom is 93, and should probably be moved to a care facility. She already had a facility picked out. I am currently back here caring for her to keep her out of there.

Pastor from her church just called: 2/3 of the residents of that facility are dead of covid. I’m so glad my mom is not in there.

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**Kinnikinnick** · 01-13-2021, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Harry

My mom is 93, and should probably be moved to a care facility. She already had a facility picked out. I am currently back here caring for her to keep her out of there.

Pastor from her church just called: 2/3 of the residents of that facility are dead of covid. I’m so glad my mom is not in there.

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Good son

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**riser4** · 01-13-2021, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Harry

My mom is 93, and should probably be moved to a care facility. She already had a facility picked out. I am currently back here caring for her to keep her out of there.

Pastor from her church just called: 2/3 of the residents of that facility are dead of covid. I’m so glad my mom is not in there.

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Glad you are there to keep her from overfeeding GG.

**DJSapp** · 01-13-2021, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Same FIL that had an ER trip recently?

The same. He's been fighting parkinson's for 25 years and is still surprisingly strong.

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**gravitylover** · 01-13-2021, 11:48 AM

My FIL has been exposed 3 times now at the assisted living facility he lives in, had to quarantine for 2 weeks each time and he's been in the hospital 3 times too and keeps testing negative. The dementia keeps getting more intense and his frustration with not understanding why he keeps getting locked in is palpable. His docs said dont get the Pfizer shot and nobody is offering the Moderna shot so he will remain at risk for a while longer but the place said yesterday that if the residents don't have their first shot before the end of the month they either get isolated to their room or move out. This sux because we have no other option but can't fully isolate him either.

**DJSapp** · 01-13-2021, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by gravitylover

My FIL has been exposed 3 times now at the assisted living facility he lives in, had to quarantine for 2 weeks each time and he's been in the hospital 3 times too and keeps testing negative. The dementia keeps getting more intense and his frustration with not understanding why he keeps getting locked in is palpable. His docs said dont get the Pfizer shot and nobody is offering the Moderna shot so he will remain at risk for a while longer but the place said yesterday that if the residents don't have their first shot before the end of the month they either get isolated to their room or move out. This sux because we have no other option but can't fully isolate him either.

Why is the doc saying not to get the Pfizer shot?

**bagtagley** · 01-13-2021, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by gravitylover

His docs said dont get the Pfizer shot and nobody is offering the Moderna shot so he will remain at risk for a while longer but the place said yesterday that if the residents don't have their first shot before the end of the month they either get isolated to their room or move out. This sux because we have no other option but can't fully isolate him either.

Time to get a second opinion.

**stuckathuntermtn** · 01-13-2021, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Harry

My mom is 93, and should probably be moved to a care facility. She already had a facility picked out. I am currently back here caring for her to keep her out of there.

Pastor from her church just called: 2/3 of the residents of that facility are dead of covid. I’m so glad my mom is not in there.

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Holy fuck. Wow. Dodged a bullet for real.
Where is "back here"?

**Ottime** · 01-13-2021, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Brock Landers

Hey I just got back from sabbatical and have one question.

Can you bring back the tags?

D

**old goat** · 01-14-2021, 01:06 AM

J and J vaccine (recombinant adenovirus that produces spike proteins) produces good antibody response in Phase 2 trial after a single dose. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034201
The vaccine is already in phase 3 trials with enrollment complete and efficacy expected soon.
Sounds like their also testing a 2 dose regimen.

**gravitylover** · 01-14-2021, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by DJSapp

Why is the doc saying not to get the Pfizer shot?

He's allergic to one of the ingredients.

**Name Redacted** · 01-14-2021, 09:07 AM

I’ve mentioned it before, but my wife’s rheumatologist told her to hold off and wait for a protein based vaccine as they are not yet sure how RNA vaccines are affecting people with compromised immune systems.
She has also already had the virus last month so the thought is that she should ride out her immunity too. Thing is, she is a HCW, and could get a vaccine tomorrow if she wanted but her doc says hold off. Of course her PCP doc said go ahead and get it just to convolute the decision making even more. The a nurse we know said that people who have already had the virus are having worse reactions to the vaccine. Ugh.

**Bunion 2020** · 01-14-2021, 09:27 AM

BIL and both sisters scheduled for Moderna.

Sounds like GA is more than a bit of a shitshow, fingers x-ed.

**summit** · 01-14-2021, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by gravitylover

He's allergic to one of the ingredients.

Which one?

**summit** · 01-14-2021, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Name Redacted

I’ve mentioned it before, but my wife’s rheumatologist told her to hold off and wait for a protein based vaccine as they are not yet sure how RNA vaccines are affecting people with compromised immune systems.
She has also already had the virus last month so the thought is that she should ride out her immunity too. Thing is, she is a HCW, and could get a vaccine tomorrow if she wanted but her doc says hold off. Of course her PCP doc said go ahead and get it just to convolute the decision making even more.

I really don't know what is going on with your wife's immune system, so I can't comment specifically. But the only people excluded from the studies were those with severe immunocompromise.

What does she do again?

The a nurse we know said that people who have already had the virus are having worse reactions to the vaccine. Ugh.

Some are some aren't to the point where it is tough to say if it makes a difference at all because people have varied responses. Pure logic would suggest that it would be like the second shot side effects, slightly increased for some. But I know folks who had no significant rxn despite having had COVID.

**jono** · 01-14-2021, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Name Redacted

The a nurse we know said that people who have already had the virus are having worse reactions to the vaccine. Ugh.

So IANAE and this is pure conjecture, obviously, but...isn't this kind of predictable and indicative of people who've had the virus already having some immunity? Their bodies have already seen the spike, same as the people who've had one shot. Since reactions to the second shot are higher than the first, this all seems consistent with pre-existing immunity among the recovered. (Summit beat me to it)

Not to suggest doses should go unused, but it really seems like we should explicitly prioritize people who haven't had the disease. There is data showing comparable immunity levels from having the virus vs. the vaccines. Is there any data showing an increase in immunity from vaccinating people who've already had the virus? Unless/until we have that it seems like vaccinating recovered people is the most speculative (and maybe the least supportable) thing going.

**old goat** · 01-14-2021, 10:36 AM

The bigger question for immunocompromised people would be whether the vaccine will do them any good. Immunocompromised is a broad term, though, there are various kinds and degrees, so the answer would seem to be "it depends".

State health director in CA admits delay in vaccinations because of trying to fine tune the roll out:
"State Health and Human Services Secretary Dr. Mark Ghaly said earlier this week California’s emphasis on risk, exposure and equity in the distribution process “has led to some delays in getting vaccine out into our communities.”" From the Sac Bee.

**DJSapp** · 01-14-2021, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by gravitylover

He's allergic to one of the ingredients.

That is a good and legitimate reason. Hopefully he can find a moderna vax soon.

**gravitylover** · 01-14-2021, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Summit

Which one?

I don't know. He's had severe reactions to several drugs over the years.

**MontuckyFried** · 01-14-2021, 11:24 AM

Since so many of you are super duper Pro-Lockdowns, what are your thoughts on Gov Cuomo's recent reversal on the matter? Serious question.

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**Dantheman** · 01-14-2021, 11:30 AM

Texas trauma surgeon:

"Post-COVID lungs look worse than any type of terrible smoker's lung we've ever seen."
...
Bankhead-Kendall, an assistant professor of surgery with Texas Tech University, in Lubbock, says patients who've had COVID-19 symptoms show a severe chest X-ray every time, and those who were asymptomatic show a severe chest X-ray 70 to 80% of the time.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/post-co...-surgeon-says/

edit: Be sure to click the link, there's pics of COVID lung x-rays, and they're gnarly.

**westoxified** · 01-14-2021, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Dantheman

Texas trauma surgeon:

"Post-COVID lungs look worse than any type of terrible smoker's lung we've ever seen."
...
Bankhead-Kendall, an assistant professor of surgery with Texas Tech University, in Lubbock, says patients who've had COVID-19 symptoms show a severe chest X-ray every time, and those who were asymptomatic show a severe chest X-ray 70 to 80% of the time.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/post-co...-surgeon-says/

how can an asymptomatic person have dense scarring in their lungs? doesn't compute.