Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[LongShortLong]

Can we circle back on this comment? I have questions.

Nothing good happens behind a walmart

Sorry to leave you all hanging like that. Grocery pickup. And the avocados are perfect. And beer, they gave me beer after 4 previous failed attempts

(And Walmart's tracking app not so good. It noticed I arrived as I was leaving)

[muted]

Sorry to leave you all hanging like that. Grocery pickup. And the avocados are perfect.

fake news

[iceman]

Some people say that a blowjob by the dumpster was involved.

[AK47bp]

Sorry to leave you all hanging like that. Grocery pickup. And the avocados are perfect. And beer, they gave me beer after 4 previous failed attempts

(And Walmart's tracking app not so good. It noticed I arrived as I was leaving)

So you got Walmart tracking you huh?


Well that’s just great.


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[iceman]

What could possibly go wrong?

[The SnowShow]

The two look similar today but the U.S. death rate has since overtaken the EU death rate. The EU had a big spike beginning in March due to Italy, Spain, and France (the U.K. too if we throw them in the mix) but the EU has since trended downwards while the U.S. continues to see between 25K-30K new cases a day.

The problem is as previous hot zones like NY, NJ, MI, LA began to cool new zones heat up to take their place. Unfortunately, America looks more like Brazil, India, and Russia because cases/deaths are either climbing or at a steady state rather than declining. For all the talk of a second wave in the fall, we're still riding the first wave.

The Financial Times has a geo-temporal chart showing our consistently high death toll relative to other regions:

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service...ext&width=1260

Wondering if the US will experience a hot spot in the future as big as NYC has. Not sure it will. My reasoning: the virus was in NYC long before anyone knew it was. Between the ultra-crowded subways and busses, elevators, groceries, restaurants, concerts, bars and work environments (crowded elevators) and living environments (25,000 ppl per sq mile), the virus took off. Just the subway itself during rush hour is insanity.

I’m not sure in this new reality we’ll have a situation like that where the virus would hit a population center as hard for weeks on end in those conditions. I feel like hot spots will be more spread out...localized hotspots that in turn could add up to a big problem, but I’m not sure anything would get to the level of what we’ve seen in NYC. Thoughts?

[Kevo]

So not to dis my US buddies and family but Doug if you look at some of the antics down south in just the last 4 years:
- reality show host/multiple occasion bankrupt/misogynist/woman assaulter gets elected president by gaining fewer votes than the competition
- electoral bounderies gerrymandered and voting regulations altered to assist in keeping people from voting in order to benefit GOP
- foreign country has hand in disinformation campaign that can't be stopped by government agencies mandated to stop same

I could go on, but I don't think failed state is too far off the mark. Again, I don't mean to pick a fight with my southern friends but IMHO it's closer to the truth than over the top partisan BS. At least there's no way to go but up.

I love Canada. I love the people. I love poutine. I love hockey. I love maple syrup. I have no doubt that the best skiing in North America is in Canada.

All that said, Canada is a country who has been propped up on selling tar sands oil and helping Chinese organized crime money laundering find it's way from casinos into the real estate market. The provincial governments in BC and Ontario were absolutely in on it and sold their children and grandchildren down the river so that they could make a quick buck of the Chinese.

The US is fucked, but Canada isn't too far behind.

[mall walker]

Wondering if the US will experience a hot spot in the future as big as NYC has. Not sure it will. My reasoning: the virus was in NYC long before anyone knew it was. Between the ultra-crowded subways and busses, elevators, groceries, restaurants, concerts, bars and work environments (crowded elevators) and living environments (25,000 ppl per sq mile), the virus took off. Just the subway itself during rush hour is insanity.

I’m not sure in this new reality we’ll have a situation like that where the virus would hit a population center as hard for weeks on end in those conditions. I feel like hot spots will be more spread out...localized hotspots that in turn could add up to a big problem, but I’m not sure anything would get to the level of what we’ve seen in NYC. Thoughts?

my opinion from having lived there is that it’s basically impossible to live your everyday life and avoid being within 1’ shoulder-to-shoulder of dozens of people a day at minimum, hundreds+ if you’re commuting on the train. everything involves brushing shoulders with strangers and breathing their air, supermarkets, corner stores, any restaurants, etc etc., so I do think this sort of thing can spread so much more there. also, most people in the sub-150k income bracket have tiny apartments and don’t spend much time in them. if you live in the mountain west in a house there is nothing comparable at all in your life to the human density of nyc, imo.

[Mr. Mike]

"Operation Warp Speed"



Possible entertainment value,
"The team is also brainstorming advertising strategies that the administration hopes will be compelling enough to inspire even vaccine skeptics to get a vaccine once it's available.
'The advertising is going to be amazing,' the official said."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/polit...eed/index.html

For once, I'm opposed. Shirley, after this bug, the vast majority of us will be quick to vaccine, so via vaccine herd immunity will be much easier to achieve. Therefore, if the Darwins (name I just made up to contrast to the Karens), want to skip the vaxx, ok by me.

[iceman]

For once, I'm opposed. Shirley, after this bug, the vast majority of us will be quick to vaccine, so via vaccine herd immunity will be much easier to achieve. Therefore, if the Darwins (name I just made up to contrast to the Karens), want to skip the vaxx, ok by me.

Shirley Darwin? What?

[Mr. Mike]

Shirley Darwin? What?

this life is full of choices. Tonight's choice: do you want to be a Shirley or a Darwin?

Choice 2: chocolate or vanilla?

[The SnowShow]

my opinion from having lived there is that it’s basically impossible to live your everyday life and avoid being within 1’ shoulder-to-shoulder of dozens of people a day at minimum, hundreds+ if you’re commuting on the train. everything involves brushing shoulders with strangers and breathing their air, supermarkets, corner stores, any restaurants, etc etc., so I do think this sort of thing can spread so much more there. also, most people in the sub-150k income bracket have tiny apartments and don’t spend much time in them. if you live in the mountain west in a house there is nothing comparable at all in your life to the human density of nyc, imo.

Exactly. It’s one of the things that got to me after 6 years living there. Everything is absolutely jam packed like no other place in the US. No reprieve. Likely weeks of COVID spreading with huge viral loads.

[Lexi-Bell]

How are restaurants opening up to allow eating “in” when masks are required? Yuba/sutter counties will be allowing this, while the more populated neighboring counties remained more shut down.

The conspiracy theorist and one who often shows a lack of critical thinking, mayor of Nevada City, is misrepresenting statements apparently made by the county public health doctor that masks are a bad idea and should not be worn. The mayor has a very strong following and her shitty thoughts are typically amplified.

Predicting NorCal second wave starting mid/late July.

This is sad to hear as one of my best friends, who is a nurse with two young children, as well as my in-laws, all reside in that fair city.

One point the *open up again* crew makes is encouraging those who don't feel comfortable to *get back out there* is to continue to stay home. Which excludes those of us who have essential jobs who aren't in a position to do so, and exposes us to a greater risk of infection because you need your food served to you in a restaurant.

[mall walker]

Exactly. It’s one of the things that got to me after 6 years living there. Everything is absolutely jam packed like no other place in the US. No reprieve. Likely weeks of COVID spreading with huge viral loads.

yeah it was not the place for me, 2.5 years there and when I left I would’ve gone nearly anywhere. living in a house in “downtown” slc now there is no comparison. if someone ever brushes against me in any setting except for maybe a bar on a busy weekend night, it’s weird. in nyc if I bought milk and eggs without a handful of people brushing against me, that would’ve been weird.

[LongShortLong]

Some people say that a blowjob by the dumpster was involved.

CDC says there was no close contact, so, uh, $37 says we're all good

Based on our current knowledge, a close contact is someone who was within 6 feet of an infected person for at least 15 minutes starting from 48 hours before illness onset until the time the patient is isolated.

[subtle plague]

For all the talk of a second wave in the fall, we're still riding the first wave.

Sorry for going polyass and surf in the padded room at the same time: But are we riding a left or a right? And how deep are we in the barrel?

[bodywhomper]

This is sad to hear as one of my best friends, who is a nurse with two young children, as well as my in-laws, all reside in that fair city.

One point the *open up again* crew makes is encouraging those who don't feel comfortable to *get back out there* is to continue to stay home. Which excludes those of us who have essential jobs who aren't in a position to do so, and exposes us to a greater risk of infection because you need your food served to you in a restaurant.

Adding to this, one of the County health doctors issued a vid on the FB county page today (Old Goat, do you know her in real life?) explaining how to use and wash masks. In her video, she explains that the use of masks is a theory to further reduce transmission. The anti-vax crew is latching onto the “theory” word use of that video to conclude that masks serve no need or use. Their idea, “if I feel bad, I’ll stay home. if I don’t feel bad, then I don’t have the virus.” They are not believing the info about people being pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic and being able to spread the virus.

Boulder-ites, beware!!

[Rideski]

[garyfromterrace]

I love Canada. I love the people. I love poutine. I love hockey. I love maple syrup. I have no doubt that the best skiing in North America is in Canada.

All that said, Canada is a country who has been propped up on selling tar sands oil and helping Chinese organized crime money laundering find it's way from casinos into the real estate market. The provincial governments in BC and Ontario were absolutely in on it and sold their children and grandchildren down the river so that they could make a quick buck of the Chinese.

The US is fucked, but Canada isn't too far behind.

Yep, I'm with you to a certain degree. We have our issues. Happy to be in northern BC though where there's been 45ish total cases and our national leader listens to experts (mainly).

Would say AK may be better skiing though I haven't really skied there (been within a couple miles though...).

[skifishbum]

its all good I read yuose canknuckleheads posts in a mckensie bros picture in my mind and droppin the deuce on the tim hortans floor
and fuck no the gsa wasn't training for Canada
was he now
eh
A to the muther fuckin K is next level
best
believe

[Name Redacted]

I like this.

[huckbucket]

A good antibody test is now ramping up. This will help us to understand:

The timing of an adaptive response to infection as well as the permanence (or lack thereof) of those antibodies
The protective effect of antibodies on reinfection
The extent to which the virus has already spread (assuming some permanence)
Who might be able to go into public without fear of reinfection (assuming above are satisfied)

https://qz.com/1850518/roches-new-co...more-accurate/

[riser4]

its all good I read yuose canknuckleheads posts in a mckensie bros picture in my mind and droppin the deuce on the tim hortans floor
and fuck no the gsa wasn't training for Canada
was he now
eh
A to the muther fuckin K is next level
best
believe

I think the GSA gave up skiing. There was a pic a while back in one of these covids threads of a person wearing full SCUBA in a grocery checkout line. I think the GSA is alive and well and training for the Great Barrier Reef.

[Benny Profane]

Behind a paywall: https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...avily-economy/ but, the quick summary is that most medical office visits and procedures, including dental, are not happening, therefore becoming a major component of the GDP drop, because, after all, we spend so much on treatment in America. I could see the downside of not seeing a dentist, but, one wonders, after the smoke clears, whether or not this is all that bad for most of us in the long run. Did you really need that office visit or prescription or MRI to be healthy? So, why did it happen? Duh.

[wooley12]

My wife and I have 6 visits to reschedule. Multiply that by 500, 000. OTOH charges for those visits to Medicare must be down.