Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Catfish]

If our Governor has his way it will be back to the usual by March.

Very disappointed that Gov. Gianforte did not lift the mask mandate on Day 1 of his governorship. Will be voting against him in the primary in 4 years

[PB]

Of course you will.

[MakersTeleMark]

I thought voting required a base intelligence.

[mfcf13]

It's going to be fascinating to watch Cuntfish and his pals 'primary' all the republicans by backing Q anon nut jobs and gun toting extremists. And then lose in general elections. Republican party is fractured.

[riser4]

Dog I sure hope so.

[Rideski]

AMLO tangles with covfefe

[jono]

AMLO tangles with covfefe

It's been shown repeatedly that the virus has a well-developed sense of irony.

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[neufox47]

It's going to be fascinating to watch Cuntfish and his pals 'primary' all the republicans by backing Q anon nut jobs and gun toting extremists. And then lose in general elections. Republican party is fractured.

Even better Trump starts a maga party. If I actually thought the money would go to anything other than line Trumps pockets I’d donate! Yes run a third party candidate to the right of the Republicans, please!

[Rideski]

[LongShortLong]

LSL, is your understanding earliest infectious date is usually 2 days then, post-exposure?

Practically, yes. It takes time for the virus to multiply up to high enough levels where it's likely to transmit. Typically I think 3-5 days is more common, and it can be 10 sometimes too.

Biologically, technically, I don't think the virus is magically non-transmissible just because its levels are minuscule. Consider an analogy... when I'm initially infected, it's like I'm driving down the freeway, widows open, some ashes blow off the tip of my cigarette. It's possible that one of these tiny embers lands in a receptive fuel bed and starts a forest fire. But practically a million people have to do that, and only maybe sometimes will a forest fire start. Being transmissible is like throwing lit flares into the forest. Not every one will start a forest fire, but it's definitely going to happen.

The change from initially infected to infectious is an exponential growth problem, if that means anything to you. You start at 0 virions/ml. After a day, maybe you're at 1000 virions/ml. At 2 or 3 days +/- you could hit 1,000,000 virions/ml and become infectious. Yes, you'd have been 50% as infectious 2 hours earlier, but only 10% 8 hours earlier. Consult an actual virologist for actual numbers, but it's something like that. There's probably a hard minimum time to infectiousness based on how fast the virus can infect a cell, and get its copies manufactured, released, and infect the next set of cells. Takes time for ribosomes to assemble proteins. I don't know that 2 days is the hard minimum, but that seems to be the number I hear (or that fits my confirmation bias). I just now went looking, and numbers are all over, and it's hard to find an answer for minimum time for infectiousness, also called "latent period." Some low quality sources (e.g. worldometer, webmd) say minimum incubation (time to symptoms) of 2 days. High infectiousness begins 1-2 days prior to symptoms.

This reference mentions 1000 and 1,000,000 copies per ml. You could follow its references and go deeper.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768712
A quick search did not turn up a good reference for 2 days minimum latent period. I'm sure it's out there, I just didn't find it.

[glademaster]

Restaurants are open for full occupancy in person dining?



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In the adjacent counties they are, which has lead to those places being packed with all the people who don't want to do take-out only. But you're welcome to congregate in the waiting area of a restaurant with 20 other people, about half of whom will have their masks hanging around their chins while you wait for your takeout and case of COVID.

We're also back to shaking hands around here for some inexplicable reason. I've gotten some dirty looks for refusing to do it lately. Haven't encountered that in about a year.

The other big one that's catching on around here is removing your mask to talk. Thanks for flinging your spittle around, shitbags.

[Bunion 2020]

Talked to Sister yesterday. She and BIL did drive up testing yesterday. Should have results in 3 days.

[tetzen]

Practically, yes. It takes time for the virus to multiply up to high enough levels where it's likely to transmit. Typically I think 3-5 days is more common, and it can be 10 sometimes too.

Biologically, technically, I don't think the virus is magically non-transmissible just because its levels are minuscule. Consider an analogy... when I'm initially infected, it's like I'm driving down the freeway, widows open, some ashes blow off the tip of my cigarette. It's possible that one of these tiny embers lands in a receptive fuel bed and starts a forest fire. But practically a million people have to do that, and only maybe sometimes will a forest fire start. Being transmissible is like throwing lit flares into the forest. Not every one will start a forest fire, but it's definitely going to happen.

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Thanks, that's an excellent explanation.

[garyfromterrace]

Thanks, that's an excellent explanation.

Yep, appreciate that!

[Thaleia]

Just over one in ten people are testing positive in my area. We're in a 'lockdown' but the neighbors across the street are still having various friends and family coming and going each day. Drives me crazy to see that.

[bodywhomper]

Ive been seemingly “sick” for a week. Non-covid days, I’d say it was winter-like allergies from the intense dry wind event last week followed by a sinus infection. I got a pcr test on Friday and negative results. So I’m going with my allergy/sinus infection theory. If I’m infected with covid, it would have come from picking up take out, getting packages at the post office, the grocery store, or the pre/post meeting in the patrol locker room. We have a mask requirements in town (and at the ski hill), but occasional people still do not comply.

On Friday, we got take out from a nicer restaurant in town. Restaurants have recently been allowed to open up for outdoor dining. Friday was a wet/cold evening (rain/snow/sleet mix). The indoor dining space at the restaurant was packed. Every table was occupied, as if no pandemic. It sucked.

Harvard has a wordy updated site about Covid that’s written for the intelligent lay-reader: https://www.health.harvard.edu/disea...event%20spread.

[Benny Profane]

Something just occured to me. We've been hearing about new mutations a lot, and they're naming them after countries, which is kind of absurd, if you think about it. You know, UK variant, South Africa, and now the Brazil mutation has appeared here. It's like it's easier to blame other people, other places, still, after all this time. But, since we (the US, I mean) have been such a shitshow during this thing, with horrible numbers, and excellent opportunities to travel abroad through trade and pleasure (the rich), shouldn't we be the origin of, like, three or four mutations? And why aren't there named mutations within our borders? It's a big country. Maybe California just made one. And it's going to Idaho or somewhere.

[westoxified]

They prob are our mutations. The countries with the superior sequencing and tracking get blessed with the naming rights.

[old goat]

The mutations all have alphanumeric names. Maybe Mofro can keep them all straight.

[PB]

Imma mutate on yo assssssssssss.

[mfcf13]

Crazy stuff. Tom Brady's parents both had Covid and his 76 year old dad spent three weeks in the hospital this fall:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...s-stressed-out


Last summer he was downplaying Covid, including holding non-masked group workouts and doing the 'there are more suicides than covidd deaths' routine.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...fl/3264338001/

Nothing like having both parents get the rona to make you change your tune.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Something just occured to me. We've been hearing about new mutations a lot, and they're naming them after countries, which is kind of absurd, if you think about it. You know, UK variant, South Africa, and now the Brazil mutation has appeared here. It's like it's easier to blame other people, other places, still, after all this time. But, since we (the US, I mean) have been such a shitshow during this thing, with horrible numbers, and excellent opportunities to travel abroad through trade and pleasure (the rich), shouldn't we be the origin of, like, three or four mutations? And why aren't there named mutations within our borders? It's a big country. Maybe California just made one. And it's going to Idaho or somewhere.

I feel like China has not been adequately shamed. Of course, that would mean people would have to care about the environment and humane treatment of animals and all that.

[MakersTeleMark]

I feel like China has not been adequately shamed. Of course, that would mean people would have to care about the environment and humane treatment of uighurs and all that.

FIFY.

[XXX-er]

You/ we/ they don't really know how covid made the jump from animal to human, it could have even happened in yurp and then made the jump in China ( say china like trump would and show what a dumb ass you are )

I don't think China really cares unless of course you believe the the common conspiracy that theory China did it on purpose in which case they succeeded

except that sure fucked up their trade with America & the world dinit and so are they that stupid ??

[Meadow Skipper]

These people seem like fuckheads.
Wealthy couple chartered a plane to the Yukon, took vaccines doses meant for Indigenous elders, authorities said

Located deep in Canada’s Yukon, the remote community of Beaver Creek is home to only about 100 people, most of them members of the White River First Nation.

So when an unfamiliar couple who claimed to work at a local motel showed up at a mobile clinic to receive coronavirus vaccines, it didn’t take long for locals to become suspicious. Authorities soon found that the couple were actually wealthy Vancouver residents who had chartered a private plane to the isolated outpost so that they could get shots intended to protect vulnerable Indigenous elders.

“I can’t believe I’ve ever seen or heard of such a despicable, disgusting sense of entitlement and lack of a moral compass,” Mike Farnworth, the British Columbia solicitor general, said Monday, according to the Vancouver Sun.

I hope they can’t get the second vax.